[Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion

joseph alhadeff joseph.alhadeff at oracle.com
Sat Sep 13 10:32:58 UTC 2014


In an attempt to find a middle ground, I have attempted to address a 
number of the issues through small edits.  for small minority, I have 
tried blending a number of the concepts into a new paragraph.

·*Determinations of consensus do not fit into a formula and the concept 
of what is a small minority will need to be determined on a case-by-case 
basis.Factors of determination may include the nature and seriousness of 
the objection, the scope of support for the objection -- whole 
stakeholder community(ies) or a subset of a or a number of communiites 
and the attemps that have been made to resolve those 
concerns/objections.While consensus of all stakeholder communities is 
the objective, it seems clear from the NTIA requirements, that the 
objection of an operational community would significantly limit the 
ability of the ICG to submit an acceptable consensus proposal. *



Other issues include a clarification of subject matter decisions (we do 
make decisions as to sufficiency of subject matter to meet NTIA 
requirement or the lack of consensus on an issue, that is beyond 
assembling, what we don't do is redraft the proposal),  as well as 
Martin's question related to why polling...

Hope these help.


On 9/12/2014 8:15 AM, Martin Boyle wrote:
> Thank you Kavouss.  As requested, I have made specific drafting 
> suggestions on the latest draft in drop box (although there was also a 
> suggestion from Joe in a separate drafting thread where I have a 
> slightly different line from him).  I have left the comments in place 
> as I think it is important that colleagues understand why I have concerns.
> I have not tried to change the filename:  as Alissa pointed out in her 
> mail, this should wait for a new clean draft to avoid causing confusion.
> Cheers
> Martin
> *From:*Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* 11 September 2014 21:34
> *To:* Martin Boyle
> *Cc:* Alissa Cooper; Coordination Group
> *Subject:* Re: [Internal-cg] Consensus building discussion
> Martin
> I agree with most of the things that you said.
> However, it might be useful that you suggest a revision marked text 
> and move all of your comments to the covering.
> It seems that at least I have sympathy for many of your thoughts but 
> prefer to see your text possibly not coming back to square one. No one 
> believes that anyone else should be excluded. A team work means 
> everybody should be given the opportunity to comment.
> What bothers me is that some people want to restrict the process to 
> only three operational communities .While we agree that their interest 
> should be met but we want to give opportunity to others
> I am happy that you also agree to maintain the case by case approach.
> Waiting your editorial and other sort of amendment in a revision mark 
> approach not introducing square bracket and comments in the margin
> SUGGEST CONCRETE AMENDMENTS and give the name to the file as you wish
> However, I wish to reiterate that I would have serious difficulties if 
> one focus on a particular case or particular community or the language 
> and approach used by a particular community
> We need to be general and cover every body's case
> Regards
> Kavouss
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