[NCAP-Discuss] Top-level Domains for Private Internets IETF draft

Mon Jun 15 14:53:17 UTC 2020

David,

The GNSO is responsible for setting all policy with respect to the gTLD namespace.  This issue is no different that the GNSO Subsequent Procedures group looking at the policy behind reserving 2 characters for the ccTLDs which it did in 2008 and again is in the process of reviewing.  It is the GNSO (and the ICANN community) that decided to reserve the 2 characters for the use of the ccTLDs using the ISO3166 list.   It is the GNSO community that will be affirming that in SubPro.

But just because it affirmed the right of ccTLDs on the ISO list to use these 2 character codes, does not mean it reserved the right for anyone else to use the 2 character labels (including the IETF).  In fact, the SubPro group is in discussions to allow 2 character registrations using a number and a letter (ex. .3d or .3M, O2, etc.  You will have seen that in the Initial Report.

So, it is through the policy process that we reserved the right for ccTLDs to register 2 character codes.  Similarly it should be through the ICANN policy process that non-ccTLDs may be able to use 2 character codes that correspond to an ISO code even if the ccTLD does not want it (or cant get it).

I see no difference.  And at the end of the day, this is exactly the type of thing that should be discussed within the ICANN community and not outside of it.  Why is their reluctance to use the ICANN policy process?

Jeff Neuman
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From: David Conrad <david.conrad at icann.org>
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2020 10:44 AM
To: Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman at comlaude.com>
Cc: Roy Arends <roy.arends at icann.org>; Dmitry Belyavsky <beldmit at gmail.com>; ncap-discuss at icann.org
Subject: Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Top-level Domains for Private Internets IETF draft

Jeff,

Roy has, as an individual and not in any way in relation to ICANN (other than he happens to work at ICANN), co-authored a proposal to document a convention of using the ISO-3166 “user defined” codes as private namespaces that are impossible to ever collide with any names allocated by ICANN.  His and Ed's Internet Draft documents the other technical uses of ISO-3166 codes. Since he is proposing the 2-letter codes identified by ISO-3166/MA (not ICANN) as “user defined” for a set of private name spaces that are not exclusive of what the GNSO may or may not propose, it isn’t clear how this interacts with GNSO policy.  Could you explain?

Thanks,
-drc

On Jun 15, 2020, at 6:40 AM, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman at comlaude.com<mailto:jeff.neuman at comlaude.com>> wrote:

Roy,

Why have you chosen to take this through the IETF track as opposed to taking it through the ICANN process.  Seems to me that this is all about policy and very little about technical information in this Informational RFC.

These are the very things that should be dealt with in the ICANN policy processes.  The notion of creating namespaces for private use is purely policy and therefore dealing with this through the IETF, in my opinion, is not how we should be thinking about this.  Sure, it may be easier to get this type of thing through the IETF, but we should be more focused on improving the multi-stakeholder model to allow these types of discussions rather than trying to circumvent it.

Has this been submitted to the GNSO?

Jeff Neuman
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From: NCAP-Discuss <ncap-discuss-bounces at icann.org<mailto:ncap-discuss-bounces at icann.org>> On Behalf Of Roy Arends
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 12:16 PM
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Subject: Re: [NCAP-Discuss] Top-level Domains for Private Internets IETF draft

I want to make a disclaimer here for complete transparency:

I am the editor of that document. This draft is my individual submission and does not present an opinion, endorsement or anything like that from ICANN, ICANN affiliate (such as PTI) or the ICANN community.

Warmly,

Roy Arends
ICANN staff member in the Office of the CTO.

On 12 Jun 2020, at 16:50, Dmitry Belyavsky <beldmit at gmail.com<mailto:beldmit at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello,

I want to draw everybody's attention to the IETF draft "Top-level
Domains for Private Internets"
(https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-arends-private-use-tld/)

I think it should be taken to account in the group's upcoming analysis.

--
SY, Dmitry Belyavsky
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