[NPOC-EC] Fwd: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
David Cake
dave at davecake.net
Sun Aug 4 04:55:16 UTC 2019
Generally speaking, I am not in favour of DNS Abuse sessions - in the past I have often found they turn into one side of policy debates to present their position without the opposing voice - and since the opposing voices are often NCSG, it can be problematic. That this proposal is being pushed by Steve DelBianco and the GAC PSWG makes me assume that this session is more or less designed for this to occur, or at least is being pushed in that direction by groups outside the Contracted parties.
So I would be very reluctant to favour this one unless we could be assured that someone from NCSG would be on the panel, and it would not be presenting a BC position on these issues without some robust discussion of the importance of privacy in mitigating abuse.
David
> On 2 Aug 2019, at 9:47 pm, Joan Kerr <joankerr at fbsc.org> wrote:
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> Hi Everyone,
> This is in regards to the high interest planning topics, I think the DNS Abuse one is definitely what we want to support. This is a little outside of the planning session so far, but a good one.
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> Let me know what you think.
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> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Date: Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 1:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
> To: Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>>, Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>, Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>, Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>, Cathrin Bauer-Bulst <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>, Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Cc: <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>>
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> All,
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> I am a little concerned that we are now working outside of the meeting planning group. I think we should make sure that the planning group remains in the loop as we attempt to converge our ideas.
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> That seems consistent with the plan that Mary circulated on July 17th.
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> Looking over the thread, I propose we focus first on the desired outcomes which we seem to have good common ground on. I’d also like to highlight the requirement for a high-quality moderator / facilitator which seems critical.
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> Do we agree on these?
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> Desired Outcomes from the Session
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> A common understanding of:
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> · what is within ICANN’s mission and scope.
> · what is done by contracted parties to mitigate and respond to DNS abuse/security threats
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> · what is the basis of the community concerns about DNS abuse/security threats
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> · what are the residual issues that need to be dealt with
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> Thanks,
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> Jonathan
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> From: Mark Svancarek (CELA) [mailto:marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>]
> Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2019 12:41 AM
> To: jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>; 'Steve DelBianco' <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>; 'Manal Ismail' <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>; 'Fabien Betremieux' <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>; 'Cathrin Bauer-Bulst' <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>; 'Kapin, Laureen' <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>; 'Maureen Hilyard' <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Cc: 'Mary Wong' <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>; 'Brian Winterfeldt' <Brian at Winterfeldt.law>; 'Robert Hoggarth' <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>; 'Graeme Bunton' <gbunton at tucows.com <mailto:gbunton at tucows.com>>; kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>
> Subject: RE: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> I understand the sensitivity of CPs to unfunded mandates, but I don’t see why we’d limit a HIT to ICANN’s remit, particularly if it resulted in only half a discussion. I didn’t think the DoH and DoT HIT discussions in Marrakech were limited to ICANN’s remit; sorry if I am confused about that.
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> However, if the session were titled “ICANN’s role in mitigating DNS Abuse” then such a restriction would certainly make sense. AFAIK, that is not the intended title for the session.
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> I request clarification from GAC regarding the intent of the HIT session, so that this can be resolved.
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> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 2:51 PM
> To: 'Steve DelBianco' <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>; 'Manal Ismail' <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>; 'Fabien Betremieux' <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>; 'Cathrin Bauer-Bulst' <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>; 'Kapin, Laureen' <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>; 'Maureen Hilyard' <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Cc: 'Mary Wong' <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>; 'Brian Winterfeldt' <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>; 'Robert Hoggarth' <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>; 'Graeme Bunton' <gbunton at tucows.com <mailto:gbunton at tucows.com>>; kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>; Mark Svancarek (CELA) <marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>>
> Subject: RE: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> Thanks Steve,
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> Your response is thoughtful and it was our original concept to work along the lines you suggest below.
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> The concern we have with discussing the DNS Abuse / Security threats upfront is that we open up the topic to well beyond ICANN’s remit.
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> Therefore, unless we appropriately constrain the problem within the logical limits (i.e. ICANN’s remit) we have an open ended discussion without relevant parameters.
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> There is no intention to have an abstracted discussion about the bylaws but rather a targeted look at where the relevant boundaries are.
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> Indeed, this is ideally not the substance of the discussion but a framing of the substantive discussion to follow within the relevant parameters.
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> Can you see a way where we can ensure the discussion is appropriately framed at the outset in terms of the relevant limits of ICANN’s bylaws?
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> If we can do this effectively and efficiently (hence the need for a well-qualified moderator), we can then move to the substantive discussion on community concerns.
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> Jonathan
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> From: Steve DelBianco [mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:53 PM
> To: jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>; 'Manal Ismail' <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>; 'Fabien Betremieux' <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>; 'Cathrin Bauer-Bulst' <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>; 'Kapin, Laureen' <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>; 'Maureen Hilyard' <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Cc: 'Mary Wong' <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>; 'Brian Winterfeldt' <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>; 'Robert Hoggarth' <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>; 'Graeme Bunton' <gbunton at tucows.com <mailto:gbunton at tucows.com>>; kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>; Mark Svancarek <marksv at microsoft.com <mailto:marksv at microsoft.com>>
> Subject: Re: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> The contract parties have posed a relevant question in “ What is within ICANN’s mission and scope?”.
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> However, we’ve seen what happens when we begin a discussion at ICANN with that question. It invariably occupies too much time as we argue about abstractions such as what issues affect the security, stability, and resiliency of the internet identifiers, and what obligations are in the bylaws section on reviews, etc.
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> I think it would be better to re-arrange the order of your suggested format, so that we do it this way:
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> General discussion of community concerns about DNS abuse/security threats. This identifies actual abuse issues – not abstractions.
> What is done by registries and registrars to mitigate and respond to DNS abuse/security threats? This allows contract parties to talk about what they do to protect their customers’ interests, their own interests, and what ICANN requires them to do.
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> What is within ICANN’s mission and scope to address? Now we assess whether ICANN’s remit permits asking the contract parties to do more than they already are.
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> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Organization: Afilias
> Reply-To: "jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>" <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Date: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 at 1:43 PM
> To: Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>, 'Fabien Betremieux' <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>, Steven DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>, Cathrin Bauer-Bulst <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>, "'Kapin, Laureen'" <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>, 'Maureen Hilyard' <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>, Brian Winterfeldt <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>, Rob Hoggarth <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>, Graeme Bunton <gbunton at tucows.com <mailto:gbunton at tucows.com>>, Keith Drazek <kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
> Subject: RE: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> Thank-you All,
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> Please see below for the work product from the Contracted Parties. A key point for us is to establish a baseline in order to ensure a common understanding of the current position. Without a level set of information, we run the risk of having an under-informed community discussion.
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> Look forward to further refinement. Looping Graeme and Keith in as well.
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> Jonathan
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> ICANN 66 Montreal
> Plenary Session Proposal
> Proposer Details
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> RySG
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> Session Description
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> This session approaches the currently "hot topic" of DNS Abuse by first looking at the key practical issues followed by a facilitated community discussion. First we'll take a focused look at ICANN's bylaws and remit and next, explore how registry and registrar operators mitigate and address DNS Abuse/security threats in that context. Third, the community will be invited to discuss issues arising and proposed solutions.
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> Session Rationale
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> Given the considerable interest surrounding DNS abuse within the community, we believe an effective discussion requires a good foundation and so will benefit from a common understanding of the following:
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> ● What is within ICANN’s mission and scope to address;
> ● What is done by contracted parties to mitigate and address security threats; and
> ● What are the community concerns and what are the problems that need to be solved?
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> Establishing a common foundation or baseline will allow for the most productive community-wide discussion about DNS abuse. A discussion that is focussed on addressing the problem rather than one which is focused on unspecified and /or potentially unsubstantiated claims of DNS abuse.
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> Desired Outcomes from the Session
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> A common understanding of:
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> · what is within ICANN’s mission and scope.
> · what is done by contracted parties to mitigate and respond to DNS abuse/security threats
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> · what is the basis of the community concerns about DNS abuse/security threats
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> · what are the residual issues that need to be dealt with
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> Session format and participation
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> An independent and skilled moderator/facilitator will explore the following with representatives from the ICANN community and ICANN org:
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> What is within ICANN’s mission and scope to address?
> What is done by registries and registrars to mitigate and respond to DNS abuse/security threats?
> General discussion of community concerns about DNS abuse/security threats
> The meeting room layout should encourage interactive (“back and forth”) participation by a representative set of participants – as opposed to a small number of panelists facing the large room and then comments at the microphone.
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> From: Manal Ismail [mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2019 3:54 PM
> To: Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>; Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>; Cathrin Bauer-Bulst <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>; Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>; Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>; 'jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>' <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>>
> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>; Brian Winterfeldt <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>; Robert Hoggarth <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>
> Subject: RE: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> Thanks a million Fabien triggering this ..
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> While awaiting Cathrin’s and Steve’s confirmation, allow me also to loop in Maureen and Jonathan, both cc’d to this email .. Maureen confirmed ALAC’s interest in the topic in order to provide end-users perspective and Jonathan stated that registries and registrars are working on input and will be sharing this input shortly ..
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> Kind Regards
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> --Manal
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> From: Fabien Betremieux <fabien.betremieux at icann.org <mailto:fabien.betremieux at icann.org>>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2019 10:58 PM
> To: Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>; Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>; Cathrin Bauer-Bulst <Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu <mailto:Cathrin.BAUER-BULST at ec.europa.eu>>; Kapin, Laureen <LKAPIN at ftc.gov <mailto:LKAPIN at ftc.gov>>
> Cc: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>; Brian Winterfeldt <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>; Robert Hoggarth <robert.hoggarth at icann.org <mailto:robert.hoggarth at icann.org>>
> Subject: ICANN66 High Interest Topic on DNS Abuse - Deadline this Friday 2 August
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> Dear Steve, Dear Manal,
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> Please allow me to loop in the co-chairs of the PSWG for potential contributions on this matter (noting that Laureen is not be available at this moment).
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> My understanding is that the GAC PSWG may be interested in using this opportunity (an ICANN66 HIT Session) for driving progress on the implementation of relevant CCT-RT recommendations, some of which are currently pending “ICANN org facilitating community efforts to develop a definition of “abuse” to inform further action”, and more generally to discuss actions the ICANN Community can already take (examples include leveraging existing definition of DNS Abuse, lessons to be learned from the DNS Infrastructure Abuse audits, sharing the DAAR data with contracted parties, negotiating amendments to Registry Agreements, etc.).
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> To reflect the above, and subject to Cathrin’s review, may I suggest the following edits to the session description you suggested:
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> DNS Abuse takes a variety of forms, and thus mitigation of the abuse can be based in policy, in civil and criminal legal actions, in technology, or permutations of these. (EPDP Phase 2 is focusing on the policy considerations related to a subset of DNS Abuse, and will be discussed elsewhere.) This session will include discussion of how evolving legal and regulatory frameworks put DNS Abuse investigations and mitigations performed by 3rd parties at risk, how aware lawmakers and regulators of these risks, and how governments are working together to bring clarity to these issues, and actions the ICANN Community can take based on the experience it has accumulated on this matter over time and most recently through several processes including the CCT Review, the Domain Abuse Activity Reporting and the DNS Infrastructure Abuse Audits.
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> In terms of « Rationale/Desired Outcomes » (another required piece of information in the form to be submitted by this Friday), may I suggest for your consideration and editing as appropriate:
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> This session aims to identify measures that are being or should be taken to address ongoing issues in the identification and mitigation of DNS Abuse.
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> Best Regards
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> Fabien
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> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Steve DelBianco <sdelbianco at netchoice.org <mailto:sdelbianco at netchoice.org>>
> Date: Tuesday 30 July 2019 at 18:38
> To: Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>>, Brian Winterfeldt <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>, "'soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>'" <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> Thanks, Manal. The BC is keenly interested in the GAC’s DNS Abuse session, and suggests this text as a description:
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> DNS Abuse takes a variety of forms, and thus mitigation of the abuse can be based in policy, in civil and criminal legal actions, in technology, or permutations of these. (EPDP Phase 2 is focusing on the policy considerations related to a subset of DNS Abuse, and will be discussed elsewhere.) This session will include discussion of how evolving legal and regulatory frameworks put DNS Abuse investigations and mitigations performed by 3rd parties at risk, how aware lawmakers and regulators of these risks, and how governments are working together to bring clarity to these issues.
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> --Steve DelBianco
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> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning [mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 11:51 PM
> To: Brian Winterfeldt; 'soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>'
> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> Dear community leaders,
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> Thank you all for the suggestions and feedback. If I may respond on the staff team’s behalf, we’ve discussed various ways in which we think we can best support your deliberations and planning. We would like to propose the following:
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> Community leaders may wish to immediately socialize the three suggestions that have been put forward by the GAC (below) with their community groups, to gauge the level of likely support and to determine whether any community group is already considering putting in a similar proposal.
> Staff will create a Google Doc/Sheet to record all plenary topic proposals that are received between 22 July and 3 August. We’ll make sure that the format facilitates real-time feedback and collaborative discussion (e.g. the ability to comment, indicate support (or otherwise) as well as volunteer to co-organize a session, etc.). We will also prepopulate the document with the three suggestions from the GAC.
> To the extent that one or more community groups support (or wish to put forward similar) proposals aligned with the GAC’s suggestions, we suggest that community leaders encourage the group(s) to refrain from putting in a separate proposal. Instead, the relevant community leader(s) should insert comments and support directly into the Google Doc/Sheet.
> Staff will generate a brief status report before 8 August, to facilitate your determining whether a call to prioritize and decide on the plenary topics is necessary.
> For example, if it becomes clear that (say) three proposals have widespread support, you may be able to agree on these without the need for additional discussion or calls.
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> Please note that the form which Tanzanica sent out with her note (below) includes mandatory sections for the proposer to fill out regarding description, rationale and desired outcomes. As noted in the staff paper outlining this new planning process, we plan to reject all topic proposals that do not include these details.
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> Finally, staff will create a separate informational resource page (perhaps a wiki space) for your and the community’s easy reference that will house the Production Calendar, Block Schedule (when that is ready), dates and records of production calls as well as links to other informational pages as may be needed.
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> We hope these tools and the staff support we will provide to help manage them will facilitate a more effective and efficient planning process for the plenary sessions in Montreal. Should this approach meet with your satisfaction, we will look toward improving and refining them further for future use as part of the ICANN Meetings planning process.
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> Thanks and cheers
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> Tanzanica, Carlos & Mary
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> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Brian Winterfeldt <Brian at Winterfeldt.law <mailto:Brian at Winterfeldt.law>>
> Date: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 at 16:10
> To: "'soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>'" <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> Dear Fellow SO and AC Leaders,
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> I also agree it would be very helpful to understand the quantity of cross-collaboration slows and then ask our respective stakeholder/constituency groups to provide input that includes objectives/goals of each proposed session for ICANN66.
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> Tanzanica, would you be able to help with this request?
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> Best regards,
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> Brian
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> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning [mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Fred Baker
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> To: Rod Rasmussen <rod at rodrasmussen.com <mailto:rod at rodrasmussen.com>>
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> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> Similar thoughts.
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> What I might suggest is that we agree/are told how many cross-collaboration slots there are (it represents a hard upper bound), and invite people to (1) write a headline, (2) list a constituency, and (3) write a paragraph about the goals and agenda of their proposed meeting. We will likely still have to force-fit a few together, but we have the option of having people edit the paragraph and add themselves as constituents of a proposal. When it comes to choosing among them, meetings with the shortest list of constituents are an obvious place to start deleting or force-fitting.
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> > On Jul 17, 2019, at 10:16 AM, Rod Rasmussen <rod at rodrasmussen.com <mailto:rod at rodrasmussen.com>> wrote:
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> > I like the idea of using a consolidated worksheet to drive this, as it also solves the timezone problems we face in trying to get everyone together.
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> > Cheers,
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> > Rod
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> >> On Jul 17, 2019, at 6:52 AM, Katrina Sataki <katrina at nic.lv <mailto:katrina at nic.lv>> wrote:
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> >> Hi All,
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> >> While I fully support the idea to coordinate and discuss topic submission as proposed by Manal and supported by Jonathan, I have to note that we have tried this before, but for some reason it did not work well – we still ended up with similar session proposals being submitted and had to discuss the ways to consolidate them.
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> >> I suspect that this good idea failed because we tried to do it over emails. Not everyone always has time to follow lengthy email exchanges and therefore inevitably something gets lost in the process. Emails are not designed to foster collaboration - we need another tool for that. Unless somebody can suggest a better way, maybe we can use Google doc to write down all the ideas, note support (or objection), add comments, etc.? And a wiki page to keep all the information/links in one place.
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> >> Thank you, Tanzanica, for the timeline – it works for us!
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> >> From: Manal Ismail [mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>]
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> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 8:50 AM
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> >> To: Tanzanica S. King <tanzanica.king at icann.org <mailto:tanzanica.king at icann.org>>;
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> >> jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>; soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>
> >> Subject: RE: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> >> Many thanks Tanzanica .. Two quick points ..
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> >> First, to clarify that I did not intend to summarize our discussion in Marrakech .. I meant to share only topics proposed by the GAC, highlighting feedback received from other constituencies on those topics ..
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> >> Second, I proposed, and thought there was support, to share the topics first with a sentence or two on each in order to trigger initial comments, withdrawals and mergers, before we start completing a full form for each .. The intension is to shortlist our topics and allow early coordination and mergers of topics of common interest, including filling one form by all interested parts of the community and consequently avoiding confusion at the time of voting ..
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> >> Is my understanding right?
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> >> Kind Regards
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> >> --Manal
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> >>
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> >> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning
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> >> <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>> On Behalf Of
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> >> Tanzanica S. King
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> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 5:10 AM
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> >> To: jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>;
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> >> soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> >> Dear Community Leaders:
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> >> The revised production calendar for ICANN66 is attached. Please take a moment to review the schedule in full and make sure the deadlines fit with your expectations. Per your feedback in Marrakech, strict adherence to deadlines is a must. Therefore, as of 22 July 2019, these dates will be locked in and closely observed. If you have any deadline concerns, please let us know by the end of the week (20 July).
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> >> The official submission period to propose plenary session topics is from 22 July - 2 August. However, the form is now open for anyone who wants to get a head start!
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> >> Plenary Session Topic Proposal Form:
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> >> https://icann.wufoo.com/forms/plenary-session-topic-proposal-form <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ficann.wufoo.com%2Fforms%2Fplenary-session-topic-proposal-form&data=02%7C01%7Cmarksv%40microsoft.com%7C00baf65b47714f3426a508d716013a57%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637002066853352626&sdata=BNPjkQnf4wwCy76HyGMEnz%2FnIUNoSrLKoREDuXVMTlU%3D&reserved=0>
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> >> Submission Deadline: 2 August 2019 @ 23:00 UTC
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> >>
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> >> We will share a link to the online report of proposals as soon as it becomes available. We’re also working to put together a collaborative wiki workspace for the group. I hope to have more details in the next day.
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> >> As a reminder, Manal sent out a communication earlier this month with a very useful summary of the topics identified during the Kick-off in Marrakech. Details are copied below for your reference.
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> >> Best regards,
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> >>
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> >> Tanzanica
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> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Tanzanica S. King
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> >> Sr. Manager, Meeting Strategy and Design ICANN
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> >> Office +1 310 301 5800
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> >> Mobile +1 310 995 3038
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> >> From: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning
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> >> <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of
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> >> Manal Ismail <manal at tra.gov.eg <mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg>>
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> >> Date: Monday , 1 July 2019 at 07:06
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> >> To: SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning
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> >> <soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org <mailto:soac-leaders-icannmeeting-planning at icann.org>>
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> >> Subject: [SOAC-Leaders-ICANNMeeting-Planning] High Interest Topics for Cross Community Dialogue in ICANN66 in Montreal ..
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> >> Dear All ..
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> >> Hope you have all arrived safely by the time you read this ..
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> >>
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> >> Reference to our Montreal planning meeting in Marrakech, kindly note that, as flagged during the meeting, the GAC would be interested in co-organizing cross community sessions on the following topics:
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> >> • DNS Abuse Mitigation (I note interest expressed by the RySG and
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> >> SSAC during the meeting),
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> >> • EPDP Phase 2 (I note interest expressed by GNSO during the
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> >> meeting), and
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> >> • Human Rights (I already know this request is coordinated with CCWP HR-CSR) and have received the below elaboration to help identify any further potential interest:
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> >> The GAC Human Rights and International Law Working Group (GAC HRILWG) together with the Cross Community Working Party on ICANN’s Corporate and Social Responsibility to Respect Human Rights (CCWP HR-CSR) are working together to organize a cross-community session in Montreal which, regarding the HR Core Value, will:
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> >> (1) offer a brief introduction to the subject of HR in connection with ICANNs mission;
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> >> (2) briefly introduce the work so far in the community in this regard, including the development of the Core Value and the FoI, and the work that has been done on Human Right Impact Assessments in pursuance of the FOI (one already conducted and another intended by ICANN66);
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> >> (3) focus on an open exchange on how ICANN as a community and its component parts (ICANN Org, SO/ACs) approach the implementation of this HR Core Value – including information on preparatory steps taken so far, inter alia, by CCWP and HRILWG;
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> >> (4) consider follow-up as appropriate
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> >> Hope you find this useful ..
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> >>
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> >> Kind Regards
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> >> --Manal
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> >>
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