[NPOC-EC] Minutes of last EC meeting (Draft)

Wed Oct 19 16:34:54 UTC 2022

Hi Emmanuel,

I don't know what you are saying from your imaginary conjecture as I have
never had any conversation on elections or posed an inappropriate comment
formally or informally to you as you alluded to me in your email.

I'm addressing an issue of detailed documentation of minutes of the
meeting, you are here writing about a figment of your imaginary conjecture
which I have never had as a personal conversation with you.

The last I checked, I'm not a godfather that installs people into positions
but our cherished and highly esteemed members. Power belongs to God and God
himself is powerful and rules in the affairs of men. Therefore I will ask
you to kindly withdraw that false accusation.

Now if you will allow me, address the issues raised by giving us a detailed
minute of the meeting which captures what was discussed or you don't. You
do not need to bring unnecessary justification as to why we should not have
a detailed minute of the meeting.

If you have a cynical mind to think I'm trying to pick a fight by asking
you to kindly address an issue observed in a Google document that was never
part of an email trail... then I don't know what you are talking about.

Please do as you please and wish.

This is my last intervention on this matter as there will not be any
further correspondence from me on the issue of trying to help and provide
guidance.

I'm sorry if you feel offended by raising an issue of getting a detailed
minute of the meeting of exactly what transpired.

Thank you

On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:11 AM Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hello Caleb,
> My mail was clear. Thanks for educating me and telling me what to do.
> However, I will not pick any fight. If you want a detailed transcript to
> share with members, go ahead and transfer the recordings Brenda shared.
>
> The non-EC member was invited to the meeting and attended the whole
> meeting. I cc him to the draft Minutes because he was part of the meeting.
> You clearly told me that you will make  this fight “dirty” and I think you
> are succeeding. Even though your ideas and “ethical leadership” is
> laudable, your way of expressing it will not get you any support from me.
>
> You told me you “will get my successor  and you will make sure I exit the
> EC in the next election”. Take your time and read my background. Maybe you
> are the one who need NPOC EC to survive. I’m tired of “dirty politics”. I
> wish you luck. But for now, let me do my Job. Until then, keep transferring
> mails and conversations to us.
>
> Rgs,
>
> Emmanuel
>
>
> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 17:46, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> a écrit :
>
>> Hi Emmanuel,
>>
>> While I cannot teach you how to write your minutes of meetings. I raised
>> those issues in the document and you do not necessarily have to copy a
>> non-EC member like you did earlier but address them in the document comment
>> section.
>>
>> Please see below a simple difference between the minutes of the meeting
>> and the action item.
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> Minutes of meetings are *DETAILED TRANSCRIPT* of what transpired for the
>> records and future reference irrespective of the fact that they were not on
>> the agenda item but was discussed in relation with corresponding agenda
>> items.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 3:09 AM Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, Caleb,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I read your comments, read my response below:
>>>
>>>
>>> *1 - Raoul’s apology in the minutes to be shared with the community*
>>> First of all, the apology of Raoul is not an Agenda Item. My role is to
>>> inform the community about the agenda items discussed and the decisions or
>>> action points.  Secondly, publishing Raoul’s apology publicly does not make
>>> sense to me because the community was not part of the close discussion that
>>> EC has in the Skype group. He apologized to you. He also apologized to EC
>>> members who were part of that discussion on Skype. Unless you want a public
>>> apology. It’s bickering and disconcerting going in that direction, because
>>> the minutes are not just for the NPOC community but we also publish it on
>>> the website for the whole world. I cannot capture that in minutes. Let’s
>>> refrain from airing our dirty laundry in public.
>>>
>>> *2- Quoting your sessions of charter violations*
>>>
>>> It’s a minute to inform the team on important items that we discuss and
>>> action points. It’s a straight-to-the-point document like in every
>>> institution. We had a more than 2-hour meeting. If I have to quote every
>>> team member word by word, all our arguments and point of view, I don't
>>> think that can be captured in a 1 or 2-page document and I don’t think it
>>> will bring any value for the community. This is not the first time I’m
>>> sharing a minute and I can say with confidence that it has never posed a
>>> problem to anyone. Even Ore, who was my predecessor, has never done so? ALL
>>> Minutes of the last few years are available on the website for your
>>> reference. I may be wrong, but since NCUC is now a reference point in terms
>>> of procedure, maybe you can share their best practices regarding minutes.
>>> As a member since 2017, I have never got the opportunity to read the NCUC
>>> EC minutes and their debates. If we want the community to listen to our
>>> full debate, let's extend the next EC invitations to the community and let
>>> us publish the recording instead of a minute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  3- *Raoul’s commitment to publishing the expected criteria and
>>> standard for selection.*
>>>
>>>  Raoul Responded to your question regarding this. Kindly listen to the
>>> audio for your reference. Also, I think we came to the conclusion that you
>>> will share a draft with the EC for our comments and vote. If this was not
>>> the case, I would like to hear from Raoul and update the minute.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  4- * ‘Please listen to the recording to completely capture the
>>> conversation.’*
>>>
>>> No comment. Refer to my response to your question 2.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> Emmanuel
>>>
>>> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 03:30, Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
>>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>> Hello @Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>,
>>>> See the document is available here
>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KR52_ntt1ljsmG_IoirQTwJ-lIQY-QC7/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103044800192548114219&rtpof=true&sd=true>
>>>> for comments.
>>>> Kind regards.
>>>> Emmanuel
>>>>
>>>> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 03:25, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Emmanuel,
>>>>>
>>>>> If you want contributions from us, please share document in Google Doc
>>>>> so that you can track changes and contribution
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 8:15 PM Emmanuel Vitus via NPOC-EC <
>>>>> npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Team,
>>>>>> Apologies for sending this now.
>>>>>> Please see attached the minutes of our last EC meeting.
>>>>>> In the absence of comments, I will add a french translation and send
>>>>>> it to the community and the website  by COB tomorrow Thursday.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Emmanuel
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
>>>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>> --
>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>
> --
> Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos.
>

-- 
*Caleb Ogundele*
Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
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