[NPOC-EC] Minutes of last EC meeting (Draft)

Wed Oct 19 16:40:05 UTC 2022

>From your first sentence and your record, it’s better I leave it here.

Good luck.

Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 18:35, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Hi Emmanuel,
>
> I don't know what you are saying from your imaginary conjecture as I have
> never had any conversation on elections or posed an inappropriate comment
> formally or informally to you as you alluded to me in your email.
>
> I'm addressing an issue of detailed documentation of minutes of the
> meeting, you are here writing about a figment of your imaginary conjecture
> which I have never had as a personal conversation with you.
>
> The last I checked, I'm not a godfather that installs people into
> positions but our cherished and highly esteemed members. Power belongs to
> God and God himself is powerful and rules in the affairs of men. Therefore
> I will ask you to kindly withdraw that false accusation.
>
> Now if you will allow me, address the issues raised by giving us a
> detailed minute of the meeting which captures what was discussed or you
> don't. You do not need to bring unnecessary justification as to why we
> should not have a detailed minute of the meeting.
>
> If you have a cynical mind to think I'm trying to pick a fight by asking
> you to kindly address an issue observed in a Google document that was never
> part of an email trail... then I don't know what you are talking about.
>
> Please do as you please and wish.
>
> This is my last intervention on this matter as there will not be any
> further correspondence from me on the issue of trying to help and provide
> guidance.
>
> I'm sorry if you feel offended by raising an issue of getting a detailed
> minute of the meeting of exactly what transpired.
>
> Thank you
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 11:11 AM Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Caleb,
>> My mail was clear. Thanks for educating me and telling me what to do.
>> However, I will not pick any fight. If you want a detailed transcript to
>> share with members, go ahead and transfer the recordings Brenda shared.
>>
>> The non-EC member was invited to the meeting and attended the whole
>> meeting. I cc him to the draft Minutes because he was part of the meeting.
>> You clearly told me that you will make  this fight “dirty” and I think you
>> are succeeding. Even though your ideas and “ethical leadership” is
>> laudable, your way of expressing it will not get you any support from me.
>>
>> You told me you “will get my successor  and you will make sure I exit the
>> EC in the next election”. Take your time and read my background. Maybe you
>> are the one who need NPOC EC to survive. I’m tired of “dirty politics”. I
>> wish you luck. But for now, let me do my Job. Until then, keep transferring
>> mails and conversations to us.
>>
>> Rgs,
>>
>> Emmanuel
>>
>>
>> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 17:46, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>
>>> Hi Emmanuel,
>>>
>>> While I cannot teach you how to write your minutes of meetings. I raised
>>> those issues in the document and you do not necessarily have to copy a
>>> non-EC member like you did earlier but address them in the document comment
>>> section.
>>>
>>> Please see below a simple difference between the minutes of the meeting
>>> and the action item.
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> Minutes of meetings are *DETAILED TRANSCRIPT* of what transpired for
>>> the records and future reference irrespective of the fact that they were
>>> not on the agenda item but was discussed in relation with corresponding
>>> agenda items.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 19, 2022 at 3:09 AM Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello, Caleb,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I read your comments, read my response below:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *1 - Raoul’s apology in the minutes to be shared with the community*
>>>> First of all, the apology of Raoul is not an Agenda Item. My role is to
>>>> inform the community about the agenda items discussed and the decisions or
>>>> action points.  Secondly, publishing Raoul’s apology publicly does not make
>>>> sense to me because the community was not part of the close discussion that
>>>> EC has in the Skype group. He apologized to you. He also apologized to EC
>>>> members who were part of that discussion on Skype. Unless you want a public
>>>> apology. It’s bickering and disconcerting going in that direction, because
>>>> the minutes are not just for the NPOC community but we also publish it on
>>>> the website for the whole world. I cannot capture that in minutes. Let’s
>>>> refrain from airing our dirty laundry in public.
>>>>
>>>> *2- Quoting your sessions of charter violations*
>>>>
>>>> It’s a minute to inform the team on important items that we discuss and
>>>> action points. It’s a straight-to-the-point document like in every
>>>> institution. We had a more than 2-hour meeting. If I have to quote every
>>>> team member word by word, all our arguments and point of view, I don't
>>>> think that can be captured in a 1 or 2-page document and I don’t think it
>>>> will bring any value for the community. This is not the first time I’m
>>>> sharing a minute and I can say with confidence that it has never posed a
>>>> problem to anyone. Even Ore, who was my predecessor, has never done so? ALL
>>>> Minutes of the last few years are available on the website for your
>>>> reference. I may be wrong, but since NCUC is now a reference point in terms
>>>> of procedure, maybe you can share their best practices regarding minutes.
>>>> As a member since 2017, I have never got the opportunity to read the NCUC
>>>> EC minutes and their debates. If we want the community to listen to
>>>> our full debate, let's extend the next EC invitations to the community and
>>>> let us publish the recording instead of a minute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  3- *Raoul’s commitment to publishing the expected criteria and
>>>> standard for selection.*
>>>>
>>>>  Raoul Responded to your question regarding this. Kindly listen to the
>>>> audio for your reference. Also, I think we came to the conclusion that you
>>>> will share a draft with the EC for our comments and vote. If this was not
>>>> the case, I would like to hear from Raoul and update the minute.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  4- * ‘Please listen to the recording to completely capture the
>>>> conversation.’*
>>>>
>>>> No comment. Refer to my response to your question 2.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Emmanuel
>>>>
>>>> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 03:30, Emmanuel Vitus <emmanuelvitus at gmail.com>
>>>> a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> Hello @Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>,
>>>>> See the document is available here
>>>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KR52_ntt1ljsmG_IoirQTwJ-lIQY-QC7/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=103044800192548114219&rtpof=true&sd=true>
>>>>> for comments.
>>>>> Kind regards.
>>>>> Emmanuel
>>>>>
>>>>> Le mer. 19 oct. 2022 à 03:25, Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele <
>>>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Emmanuel,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want contributions from us, please share document in Google
>>>>>> Doc so that you can track changes and contribution
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2022 at 8:15 PM Emmanuel Vitus via NPOC-EC <
>>>>>> npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Team,
>>>>>>> Apologies for sending this now.
>>>>>>> Please see attached the minutes of our last EC meeting.
>>>>>>> In the absence of comments, I will add a french translation and send
>>>>>>> it to the community and the website  by COB tomorrow Thursday.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Emmanuel
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>>>>>> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
>>>>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *Caleb Ogundele*
>>> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
>>> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>>>
>> --
>> Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos.
>>
>
>
> --
> *Caleb Ogundele*
> Mobile: +1-204-558-6904
> Email: muyiwacaleb at gmail.com
>
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Sent from iPhone. Excuse brevity and typos.
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