[NPOC-EC] Fwd: Membership

Thu Oct 20 16:48:54 UTC 2022

Caleb. Please read the copy paste you just sent me. Where does it conflict
with the organisation in question?

-Raoul

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 19:44 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <muyiwacaleb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> @Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>  can you be less aggressive in the
> failed logic you are applying?
>
> First, I quote you *" Hello Caleb, could you tell them they need to apply
> for the membership and where to do it?"*
>
> I ran NPOC's  standard checklist for membership and they don't match:
>
> *Checklist:*
>
> *1. The Organization is incorporated as a noncommercial entity (in
> countries that have such a provision in their commercial code) or, if
> unincorporated, or if operating in a country without provisions for
> noncommercial incorporation, that operates on a not‑for‑profit basis
> primarily for noncommercial purposes, and*
>
> *2. Be the exclusive user of at least one domain name.*
>
> *3. Is engaged in online activities that are primarily noncommercial,
> including, e.g., advocacy, educational, religious, human rights,
> charitable, scientific and artistic, and*
>
> *4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization
> should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily
> noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed
> of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a
> noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial
> members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a
> commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)*
>
>
>    - I saw Bolu's reply and thought I should help him shed more light or
>    provide additional information on his response which we did not see but I
>    trust his good judgment.
>    - Secondly, responding to them with a checklist which I have done
>    before your email was even sent to me.
>    - My question is why would I want to enable government security
>    agencies which go against the charter? (There was a typo in my initial
>    email as I told you below that they were security agency and not democratic
>    politicians. I was supposed to delete that part as i was typing from my
>    phone)
>    -  I believe we are not in a dictatorship but a multistakeholder
>    environment and we are guided by ICANN standard of behavior. So you cannot
>    be saying* " do as you are told".* I believe I have the right to have
>    a good judgment call in accessing a situation and making a good decision.
>    This is the same way you do not want any EC members to challenge your
>    decisions when you make them.
>    - Lastly, Why would I want to waste the time of other NCSG EC members
>    by activating them and telling them to go ahead and apply when eventually
>    we will turn them down for failing to match the checklist?
>
>
> Please this is not a fight but Caleb applying logic to decision-making and
> so I would encourage us to respect each other's boundaries.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Caleb Ogundele
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:13 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> They're not democrats, it's the department of emergency management. Just
>> turn them down at the application process, like everyone else. I wish you
>> could just for once do what I ask you to do, Caleb. Thanks for taking care
>> of this Bolutife.
>>
>> -Raoul
>>
>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 18:07 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <
>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> @Bolutife Adisa <adisabolutifeo at gmail.com>
>>> Check the email and the background also...
>>>
>>> These are democrats politicians in the Nevada government in the US.
>>>
>>> lori.degristina at dem.nv.gov
>>>
>>>
>>> That's one of the emails.
>>> See URL : https://dem.nv.gov
>>>
>>> Nevada Division of Emergency Management / Homeland Security
>>>
>>> The best we can advice is that they go to GAC.
>>>
>>> This is an homeland security folks. NCSG is non commercial or non
>>> governmental in nature.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Caleb Ogundele
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu., Oct. 20, 2022, 9:59 a.m. Bolutife Adisa via NPOC-EC, <
>>> npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Raoul,
>>>>
>>>> I responded to them already 👍🏽.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Bolutife.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 20. Oct 2022, at 15:57, Raoul Plommer via NPOC-EC <npoc-ec at icann.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Caleb, could you tell them they need to apply for the membership
>>>> and where to do it?
>>>>
>>>> -Raoul
>>>>
>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>> From: Jon M. Bakkedahl <j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov>
>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 16:17
>>>> Subject: Membership
>>>> To: info at npoc.org <info at npoc.org>
>>>> Cc: Lori L. Degristina <lori.degristina at dem.nv.gov>, Ryan M. Gerchman <
>>>> rgerchman at dem.nv.gov>, Katie Rierson <krierson at dem.nv.gov>, Bren
>>>> McClean <BMcClean at dem.nv.gov>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> NPOC,
>>>>
>>>> Please add all of us from Nevada to your communications list for the
>>>> not-for -profit information https://npoc.org/ .
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> *j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov <j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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