[NPOC-EC] Fwd: Membership

Thu Oct 20 16:59:07 UTC 2022

Hi Raoul,

This is my last intervention on this matter.

"No offense, but please do as you wish if clear logic fails to clarify a
grey area to you that they have an affiliation to *Government and
Government Security apparatus(Home Land Security)* which does not match our
membership profile checklist of a *Not-For-Profit- Organisation.*"

I have a lot to do with my time and I cannot be bullied to go against the
charter in good conscience.

Thank you

Caleb Ogundele

On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 11:49 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:

> Caleb. Please read the copy paste you just sent me. Where does it conflict
> with the organisation in question?
>
> -Raoul
>
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 19:44 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <
> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> @Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com>  can you be less aggressive in the
>> failed logic you are applying?
>>
>> First, I quote you *" Hello Caleb, could you tell them they need to
>> apply for the membership and where to do it?"*
>>
>> I ran NPOC's  standard checklist for membership and they don't match:
>>
>> *Checklist:*
>>
>> *1. The Organization is incorporated as a noncommercial entity (in
>> countries that have such a provision in their commercial code) or, if
>> unincorporated, or if operating in a country without provisions for
>> noncommercial incorporation, that operates on a not‑for‑profit basis
>> primarily for noncommercial purposes, and*
>>
>> *2. Be the exclusive user of at least one domain name.*
>>
>> *3. Is engaged in online activities that are primarily noncommercial,
>> including, e.g., advocacy, educational, religious, human rights,
>> charitable, scientific and artistic, and*
>>
>> *4. In the case of a membership-based organization, the organization
>> should not only be noncommercial itself, but should have a primarily
>> noncommercial focus, and the membership should also be primarily composed
>> of noncommercial members.  (E.g., a chamber of commerce, though it may be a
>> noncommercial organization itself, and might even have some noncommercial
>> members, is primarily composed of commercial organizations and has a
>> commercial focus and would not be eligible for membership.)*
>>
>>
>>    - I saw Bolu's reply and thought I should help him shed more light or
>>    provide additional information on his response which we did not see but I
>>    trust his good judgment.
>>    - Secondly, responding to them with a checklist which I have done
>>    before your email was even sent to me.
>>    - My question is why would I want to enable government security
>>    agencies which go against the charter? (There was a typo in my initial
>>    email as I told you below that they were security agency and not democratic
>>    politicians. I was supposed to delete that part as i was typing from my
>>    phone)
>>    -  I believe we are not in a dictatorship but a multistakeholder
>>    environment and we are guided by ICANN standard of behavior. So you cannot
>>    be saying* " do as you are told".* I believe I have the right to have
>>    a good judgment call in accessing a situation and making a good decision.
>>    This is the same way you do not want any EC members to challenge your
>>    decisions when you make them.
>>    - Lastly, Why would I want to waste the time of other NCSG EC members
>>    by activating them and telling them to go ahead and apply when eventually
>>    we will turn them down for failing to match the checklist?
>>
>>
>> Please this is not a fight but Caleb applying logic to decision-making
>> and so I would encourage us to respect each other's boundaries.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Caleb Ogundele
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 20, 2022 at 10:13 AM Raoul Plommer <plommer at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> They're not democrats, it's the department of emergency management. Just
>>> turn them down at the application process, like everyone else. I wish you
>>> could just for once do what I ask you to do, Caleb. Thanks for taking care
>>> of this Bolutife.
>>>
>>> -Raoul
>>>
>>> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022, 18:07 Caleb Olumuyiwa Ogundele, <
>>> muyiwacaleb at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> @Bolutife Adisa <adisabolutifeo at gmail.com>
>>>> Check the email and the background also...
>>>>
>>>> These are democrats politicians in the Nevada government in the US.
>>>>
>>>> lori.degristina at dem.nv.gov
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's one of the emails.
>>>> See URL : https://dem.nv.gov
>>>>
>>>> Nevada Division of Emergency Management / Homeland Security
>>>>
>>>> The best we can advice is that they go to GAC.
>>>>
>>>> This is an homeland security folks. NCSG is non commercial or non
>>>> governmental in nature.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Caleb Ogundele
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu., Oct. 20, 2022, 9:59 a.m. Bolutife Adisa via NPOC-EC, <
>>>> npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Raoul,
>>>>>
>>>>> I responded to them already 👍🏽.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Bolutife.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 20. Oct 2022, at 15:57, Raoul Plommer via NPOC-EC <
>>>>> npoc-ec at icann.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Caleb, could you tell them they need to apply for the membership
>>>>> and where to do it?
>>>>>
>>>>> -Raoul
>>>>>
>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>> From: Jon M. Bakkedahl <j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov>
>>>>> Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 16:17
>>>>> Subject: Membership
>>>>> To: info at npoc.org <info at npoc.org>
>>>>> Cc: Lori L. Degristina <lori.degristina at dem.nv.gov>, Ryan M. Gerchman
>>>>> <rgerchman at dem.nv.gov>, Katie Rierson <krierson at dem.nv.gov>, Bren
>>>>> McClean <BMcClean at dem.nv.gov>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> NPOC,
>>>>>
>>>>> Please add all of us from Nevada to your communications list for the
>>>>> not-for -profit information https://npoc.org/ .
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Jon Bakkedahl, CEM, NVEM, MEP *
>>>>>
>>>>> *Deputy Administrator *
>>>>>
>>>>> *2478 Fairview Drive*
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> *j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov <j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov> *
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *Please change my email in your address book to j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov
>>>>> <j.bakkedahl at dem.nv.gov> *
>>>>>
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>

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*Caleb Ogundele*
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