[Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call with ICANN Board today @ 19:00 UTC [SEC=UNOFFICIAL]

Thu Mar 1 06:06:10 UTC 2012

Thanks Kathy and all - I'm glad to hear that the call went well, and I look forward to reading the chat notes to get a sense of the discussion.

Cheers,

Peter

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Kathy Kleiman
Sent: Thursday, 1 March 2012 7:34 AM
To: Olof Nordling; rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] REMINDER - Call with ICANN Board today @ 19:00 UTC

Hi All,
There are some very interesting discussion items in the chat room text below -- and it shares a sense of what's on the minds of the Board. I expect we'll see a continuation of the types of issues raised below in our meeting with the Board in Costa Rica. So if you missed the call, thanks for taking a quick read through...

Best,
Kathy:

Dear all,
Please find the chat transcript from the call below, and also the final slide deck attached as presented (featuring a very minor correction in relation to the version sent earlier).
Very best regards
Olof
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CHAT TRANSCRIPT

Olof Nordling: (2/29/2012 18:39) Welcome to the WHOIS RT - ICANN Board Webinar!

  Kathy Kleiman: (19:56) Hi All!

  Ram Mohan: (19:58) hi

  Emily Taylor: (19:59) Hi

  Diane: (19:59) hello

  Omar Kaminski: (19:59) hi

  judith: (20:01) Hello

  cherine chalaby: (20:01) hi

  Akram Atallah: (20:01) hello everyone!

  Mike Silber: (20:01) Thanks Olaf - hi all

  Steve Crocker: (20:08) Minor comment: Whois is tied to domain names, not web sites.

  Thomas Narten: (20:10) does the 20% figure include proxy registrations? I.e., are those considered "inaccurate"?

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:12) There is a separate study in play, right now, as Emily notes.

  Ram Mohan: (20:12) not sure i understand the policy gap bullet - are you stating that the proxy service is not congruent with offering privacy?  Or whether there is doubt about accuracy?

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:13) Thomas, if you could reach the proxy service (or privacy service) with accurate information in the Whois, that was "reachable"

  Susan: (20:13) and there is no clear definition of Privacy versus Proxy registrations

  Susan: (20:13) very confused at the moment

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:15) Privacy - registrant's name + privacy service contact information; proxy service - all information, including registrant is listed as the proxy service provider.

  Ram Mohan: (20:15) in the .INFO TLD, over 60% of abusive names are proxied; a few registrars cooperate after the registry identifies a potential problem, but in most cases the registry can't really draw many patterns from proxy registrations

  Ram Mohan: (20:15) so i don't understand what is meant by need to raise awareness and improve user-friendliness...

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:17) legitimate uses of proxy services shared with us by both commercial and noncommercial user groups.

  Ram Mohan: (20:18) thanks Emily!

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:26) Ram, one of the larger issues we (Review Team) would like to encourage is a "culture of compliance."

  Ram Mohan: (20:27) Kathy - got it.  But there is "compliance" and there is Compliance...

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:27)  Good point :-)!

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:34) And also Data Protection Commissioners who have tried to participate over the years, but find it hard to follow over long periods of time. Outreach on new policy issues.

  Steve Crocker: (20:34) Reduce by 50% from what level?

  Steve Crocker: (20:36) 23% wholly inaccurate.  21% inaccurate to the point of inability to reach the registrant.

  Steve Crocker: (20:36) Sorry: 23% wholly accurate...

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:37) "Contactibility"

  Steve Crocker: (20:37) Where does the 50% goal come from?  Why not a larger or smaller number?  How feasible is this goal?

  Ram Mohan: (20:38) in practice, quite a few "non-contactable" registrants are from large companies, where employees have left but the records have not been updated.  I worry about measures such as removing the domain altogether if the registrant is unreachable.  Perhaps a WHOIS Data Redemption Period has to be created, where the name goes dark but can be restored upon more accurate data?

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:39) who is speaking, please?

  Steve Crocker: (20:39) Is there a target level that would be considered sufficient?  E.g. 80% contactible?  90%? 95%?  99%?  99.9%?

  Susan: (20:40) I agree with you Ram but in the obvious cases which I run into frequently where the only information is  and "a" in each field

  Susan: (20:40) I think action should be taken swiftly

  judith: (20:40) Billing & collection records are from my experience always accurate. Money talks.

  Susan: (20:41) I agree with you Judith but that data is not always included in the WHOIS

  Steve Crocker: (20:41) Judith, you're right!

  Ram Mohan: (20:41) Susan - ugh! Better penalties, with a decent remedy could work then.  That's what I mean by the WHOIS Data Redemption Period - the name goes down, if the name is not contactable

  Susan: (20:41) If the billing data that is verified was included in the WHOIS record then we would have more accuracy

  judith: (20:42) Yes Susan. WHOis data is almost always filled up by an individual in an IT Dept where there is frequent employee churn.

  Susan: (20:42) not in a well managed domain name portfolio!

  Ram Mohan: (20:42) Susan - that won't work in the case of proxy data...

  judith: (20:42) I am referring to the Registrant.

  Susan: (20:43) my view point (not necessarily ) as a team member but as Facebook employee content should never be served on a proxy registration

  Susan: (20:44) that is what Privacy registrations are for

  Ram Mohan: (20:44) is a rubbish record = a rubbish domain?

  Bill Graham: (20:44) Going forward, could there not be a requirement that whois data be accurate for a new registrant (some TLDs do that now). Won't help with cleanup, but if done before the new gTLDs come along, it would be a step forward

  Ram Mohan: (20:44) if we got rid of a rubbish record, what happens to the domain linked to the record?

  Susan: (20:45) Bill I would agree, the new gTlds should be required to verify for accuracy

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:46) Quick note that there may be a difference between knowing who the Registrant is, and reaching the Registrant to let me know about a legal concern (e.g., a cease and desist letter)

  Thomas Narten: (20:46) my point is that the only domain names that people care about looking up in whois is ones where someone believes some sort of abuse is going on. Is that a fair statement?

  Susan: (20:46) Not completely

  Emily Taylor: (20:47) Thomas - not entirely.  It's an important aspect, but not the only one.

  Ram Mohan: (20:47) Bill - accuracy is itself not fully defined

  Mike Silber: (20:47) just to try get a benchmark - given the comment about GoDaddy going beyond simple compliance - what are their figures like?

  Susan: (20:47) in acquisitions or domain name management I use the WHOIS records of our domain names on a daily basis

  Bladel: (20:48) @MIke:  Do you mean internal GoDaddy stats?

  Bladel: (20:49) The NORC accuracy study was not, to my knowledge, broken down by registrar (altho this would be very interesting!).

  Mike Silber: (20:51) if they are willing to share - even if rough or under confidentiality

  judith: (20:51) Problem being- domain names have become so inexpensive- aking to a disposable consumer item. Does Wal-Mart track who bought a $35 T-shirt?

  Mike Silber: (20:52) would like to know where a registrar "who cares" sits, so we know better what the worst case of those who do not care are sitting with

  Bladel: (20:53) @Judith:  Considering this has made Internet / DNS participation open to  millions of new global users, we do not see inexpensive fees as a "problem."

  Susan: (20:53) Judith I have always felt that domain name registrations fees do not cover the full expense of registering and administering a domain name

  Susan: (20:54) If the registrars charged more and used the funds to verify data it would shrink the problems we have

  Susan: (20:54) companies are picking up the expenses due to the lack of accuracy

  Diane: (20:54) Do I have a set of the slides available to send to the board members who arent attending?

  judith: (20:54) I agree with you, Susan.

  Ram Mohan: (20:54) @Bladel: GoDaddy offers a *lot* for a low cost registration, and seem to be a success, so not sure more $$ will result in better accuracy

  judith: (20:55) GoDaddy sells services.

  Olof Nordling: (20:56) Yes, sent with the reminder this morning (my morning) but I'll send you one slightly improved in a jiffy

  Ram Mohan: (20:56) @Judith - i am not sure data shows that low prices leads to lower accuracy, or vice versa

  Thomas Narten: (20:56) people aren't paying for domain names with "cash".

  judith: (20:57) From personal experience- I never bother to update my corporate whois data!

  Diane: (20:57) Thanks Olof - will distribute to the board after the call

  Kathy Kleiman: (20:58) On this point, we talked with ICANN Staff, and they mentioned that an expansion of Internic might be possible.

  Lynn Goodendorf: (20:58) unfortunately, there are domain names paid for with stolen credit card data; this was presented by Law Enforcement

  Steve Crocker: (21:03) Thanks Emily and everyone.  I need to break off to head to the airport.

  Seth Reiss 2: (21:04) Thanks Emily and Board

  Ram Mohan: (21:04) Thanks Emily & Whois team for a good overview, and look forward to a good session in Costa Rica

  Kathy Kleiman: (21:04) Tx Steve!

  Kathy Kleiman: (21:05) Any questions?

  Michael Yakushev: (21:05) thanks to all

  judith: (21:05) Thank you!

  Olof Nordling: (21:05) Thanks all!

  Kathy Kleiman: (21:05) Tx All!

From: Olof Nordling
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:37 PM
To: Olof Nordling; Diane Schroeder; Alina Syunkova; Denise Michel; 'Emily Taylor'; 'Kathy Kleiman'; 'Nettlefold, Peter'; 'Mikhail Yakushev'; 'Smith, Bill'; Alice Jansen; 'Lynn Goodendorf'; 'Lynn2 Goodendorf'; 'LEMON, Sharon'; 'Sharon Lemon'; 'Omar Kaminski'; 'Sarmad Hussain'; 'Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet'; 'Susan Kawaguchi'; 'James Bladel'; 'Lutz Donnerhacke'; 'Seth M Reiss'
Subject: RE: REMINDER - Call with ICANN Board today @ 19:00 UTC

Dear Review Team Members,
With around 90 minutes left until the call begins, I would just like to remind you again to please identify yourselves at the call before you speak. This will facilitate for all - not the least for the scribes (who may be used to the voices of the Board members, but less so when it comes to Review Team members...)
Thanks!
Olof

From: Olof Nordling
Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:37 AM
To: Diane Schroeder; Alina Syunkova; Olof Nordling; Denise Michel; 'Emily Taylor'; 'Kathy Kleiman'; 'Nettlefold, Peter'; 'Mikhail Yakushev'; 'Smith, Bill'; 'Lynn Goodendorf'; 'Lynn2 Goodendorf'; 'LEMON, Sharon'; 'Sharon Lemon'; 'Omar Kaminski'; 'Sarmad Hussain'; 'Wilfried Woeber, UniVie/ACOnet'; 'Susan Kawaguchi'; 'James Bladel'; 'Lutz Donnerhacke'; 'Seth M Reiss'
Subject: REMINDER - Call with ICANN Board today @ 19:00 UTC

Dear Review Team Members,

Your conference call with the ICANN Board of Directors is scheduled for:

**Wednesday, 29 February 2012**

19:00 UTC

Please be kindly reminded to identify yourself before you speak.

Please check your local time at:
http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=WHOIS+RT-ICANN+BOARD+OF+DIRECTORS&iso=20120229T19

PASSWORD:  27318 followed by #

Adobe room: http://icann.adobeconnect.com/whois-review/

Dial-in numbers:
Please find below a table which encapsulates dial-in numbers for your countries of residence.
Should you be traveling, please refer to the full list which is available at:  http://www.adigo.com/icann/

Australia

1 800 009 820
1 800 036 775
Sydney  T       +61 290372962
Melbourne       T       +61 399996500
Brisbane        T       +61 731777546

Austria

L - 0 800 295 858
M - 0 800 295 138
T - +43 720 882 638

Belgium

L - 0800 79210
M - 0800 79218
T - +32 78 480 286

Brazil

L - 0800 891 1597
M - 0800 891 1598
T - +55 613 717 2040

Canada

1 800 550 6865
T - +1 213 233 3193

France

0800 90 25 56
T - +33 170618347

Germany

L -  0800 1016 120
G - M 0800 1016 124

Russia

8 10 8002 535 3011
T - +7 499 650 7835

United Kingdom

0800 032 6646
T  - +44 207 099 0867

United States

1 800 550 6865
T  - +1 213 233 3193

T - local toll number ; M - mobile preferred number ; L - landline preferred number

Please do not hesitate to contact me should you require a dial-out for this call.
Please also find attached the slides that will be presented at the call.

Very best regards

Olof

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