[tz] Belarus is listed in MSK timezone
dkazimirchyk at gmail.com
Thu Apr 2 10:38:55 UTC 2015
On 4/2/15 12:13 PM, Lester Caine wrote:
> Dzmitry ... That is exactly the reason that the rules for the TZ
> database deliberately try to avoid any political bias. I am often at
> odds with Paul over maintaining historic material, but any pre-1990
> standards are maintained. We can't re-write history. But similarly it is
> not the job of the database to create it, so where there is no
> consensus, the historic base simply roles forward. The TZ database does
> not maintain a location mapping service, which is where the link between
> any ground location and a set of rules in TZ should be established, and
> it is that mapping service which would add any local descriptions and
> details. The TZ database simply provides a reliable set of rules that
> are accurate for the identifiers provided ... which are not locations.
Similarly I would then argue that changing Belarus time zone to MSK
several months ago itself was rewriting history and had a political
bias, since Belarus had its own time zone before that and didn't change
any time keeping policies, so there was no immediate need to put the
country into another time zone out from its own.
I agree that creating a history is not the job of TZ database, but it is
in fact creating history now (in one way or another) by making people
believe that Belarus uses "Moscow time" (MSK), due to the well-known
historical meaning of MSK which details were mentioned previously in
this discussion and not only by me alone, and existence of a lot of
software relying on TZ database out there to spread this information to
To quote TZ database's own maintenance guidelines
3. Changes to existing entries SHALL reflect the consensus on the
ground in the region covered by that entry.
To be clear, the TZ Coordinator SHALL NOT set time zone policy for a
region but use judgment and whatever available sources exist to
assess what the average person on street would think the time
actually is, or in case of historical corrections, was.
Given that we all agreed that the commonly used name to denote time in
Belarus is "Minsk time" and neither MSK nor "Moscow time" is used in the
media and official sources for that purpose. I have a reason to believe
that the recent change of time zone for Belarus to MSK doesn't adhere to
the policies declared in this clause.
I may be wrong, but if it is so hard to change time zone name for
Belarus now, I don't understand why it was so easily changed to MSK
months ago without considering MINT or BYT according to usual process as
was suggested earlier.
I thank everyone for their time and lots of useful information on the
topic, but I am still not convinced that current situation with Belarus
time zone is right and hope for some logical and unbiased resolution.
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