[tz] Kyiv time zone

Matt Johnson mj1856 at hotmail.com
Tue Mar 31 19:04:05 UTC 2015

I won't address the political statements, as that sort of discussion is off topic for this mailing list.  There are other more appropriate forums in which you can discuss your viewpoint.

Your original complaint was that the time zone appeared as "Kiev time zone".  This string actually does not come from the TZ database, but from the CLDR.
The only information in the TZ database is the zone identifier, which is "Europe/Kiev", as seen here:https://github.com/eggert/tz/blob/2015b/europe#L3279-L3291

The CLDR information is here:http://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/27/by_type/timezones.europe.html#6dd1046c581ae238
The CLDR has its own mailing list here:http://unicode.org/consortium/distlist-cldr-users.html
You may also be interested in the Wikipedia entries for Ukraine and Kiev, which both use the Kiev spelling as the primary for English:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiev

Now, that said, I'm not entirely sure that it wouldn't be possible for the tz database to consider "Europe/Kyiv" as a name change from "Europe/Kiev" with a compatibility link.  Wasn't a similar change made for Asia/Calcutta => Asia/Kolkata ?  Or do different rules apply since the name was officially changed by the government in 2001?  (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolkata#Etymology)

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:33:23 +0300
From: sam.ua at zoho.com
To: fw at deneb.enyo.de; tim at timtimeonline.com
CC: iana at iana.org; tz at iana.org
Subject: Re: [tz] Kyiv time zone

Dear Florian.

perhaps you are not aware of the history between Ukraine and Russia. Let me remind you that Moscow has pursued the destruction of Ukraine, Ukrainians and the Ukrainian language and culture for many centuries.  This ethnic cleansing continues today with the Russification of  Ukraine. Once you destroy a nation's identity --their language, culture and history, it's quite easy to convert them into mindless robots, who are easy prey for the imperialist.  Even in 1991, as we achieved our long overdue independence , Ukrane was  over 80-90% pro-Russian. after two plus decades those same people, who were once slaves to the empire, have been schooled on the true history of Ukraine and understand just how devious Moscow was in it's ethnic cleansing of the Ukrainian people. Little over a year ago we got rid of the last remaining remnant of that Soviet-Russian past  - the Putin puppet Yanykovych. Our cities are nearly rid of Lenin and Stalin - two monsters that murdered tens of millions of Ukrainians, but as the links you provided show, that past is still a part of the present. We are gradually getting rid of it. The issue of Kyiv vs Kiev is precisely the past vs the present. Kyiv is today, it's also what it was in the old Ruthenian-Ukrainian chronicles that date back to the 9th century. It became Kiev under Russian rule and now it's once again Kyiv. 

The war in Eastern Ukraine - the invasion by Russia, is a last attempt too keep Ukraine under Russia's orbit. we don't want that. My generation doesn't want that. Once again Kyiv vs Kiev is a part of that ugly past. I can promise you that all of our sites will one day be Kyiv and that the term will be the one used wide-spread and worldwide. But we need to do this one step at a time and wikipedia is a big part of this. This has to be corrected and the general population will then become familiar and accept the new word, it's very easy to spell and pronounce.

I kindly ask that you respect our history, our past and what is currently happening in eastern Ukraine. it's no accident that where the Russian population - 15% of Ukraine's population. lives and breathes, there is a war. the same way Stalin killed my forefathers and replaced them with Russians from Russia, we are battling for the existence of our own unique identity.

Kyiv is and will always be the proper transliterated version of our capital. there is no argument today that can supercede that. 
Thank you kindly,
Simon Kostenko

---- On сб, 28 бер 2015 11:27:35 +0200 Florian Weimer<fw at deneb.enyo.de> wrote ---- 
* Simon: 
>> Many government web sites in the Ukraine still use the “Kiev” 
>> transliteration 
> For example? 
“While the Obama administration has publicly acknowledged it is 
considering supplying Kiev with arms, backed by hardline EU countries 
like Poland and Lithuania, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has 
vehemently opposed the move.” 

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