[tz] Kyiv time zone

Paul Ganssle pganssle at gmail.com
Tue Mar 31 19:04:48 UTC 2015

All of which has no bearing on the mainstream English spelling of the
city. There's also an Asia/Saigon instead of Asia/Ho_Chi_Minh_City and
Asia/Rangoon instead of Asia/Yangon. There's no reason to read any
political meaning into the English word - it's just what
English-speaking people call it.

I notice that you seem to have failed to change your cut-and-paste, but
my guess is that your arguments won't fly over on Wikipedia either,
because, as in this case, maximizing clarity and minimizing confusion is
what's important in this application, not some more general concept of
social justice.

On 3/29/2015 15:33, sam.ua wrote:
> Dear Florian.
> perhaps you are not aware of the history between Ukraine and Russia.
> Let me remind you that Moscow has pursued the destruction of Ukraine,
> Ukrainians and the Ukrainian language and culture for many centuries. 
> This ethnic cleansing continues today with the Russification of 
> Ukraine. Once you destroy a nation's identity --their language,
> culture and history, it's quite easy to convert them into mindless
> robots, who are easy prey for the imperialist.  Even in 1991, as we
> achieved our long overdue independence , Ukrane was  over 80-90%
> pro-Russian. after two plus decades those same people, who were once
> slaves to the empire, have been schooled on the true history of
> Ukraine and understand just how devious Moscow was in it's ethnic
> cleansing of the Ukrainian people. Little over a year ago we got rid
> of the last remaining remnant of that Soviet-Russian past  - the Putin
> puppet Yanykovych. Our cities are nearly rid of Lenin and Stalin - two
> monsters that murdered tens of millions of Ukrainians, but as the
> links you provided show, that past is still a part of the present. We
> are gradually getting rid of it. The issue of Kyiv vs Kiev is
> precisely the past vs the present. Kyiv is today, it's also what it
> was in the old Ruthenian-Ukrainian chronicles that date back to the
> 9th century. It became Kiev under Russian rule and now it's once again
> Kyiv. 
> The war in Eastern Ukraine - the invasion by Russia, is a last attempt
> too keep Ukraine under Russia's orbit. we don't want that. My
> generation doesn't want that. Once again Kyiv vs Kiev is a part of
> that ugly past. I can promise you that all of our sites will one day
> be Kyiv and that the term will be the one used wide-spread and
> worldwide. But we need to do this one step at a time and wikipedia is
> a big part of this. This has to be corrected and the general
> population will then become familiar and accept the new word, it's
> very easy to spell and pronounce.
> I kindly ask that you respect our history, our past and what is
> currently happening in eastern Ukraine. it's no accident that where
> the Russian population - 15% of Ukraine's population. lives and
> breathes, there is a war. the same way Stalin killed my forefathers
> and replaced them with Russians from Russia, we are battling for the
> existence of our own unique identity.
> Kyiv is and will always be the proper transliterated version of our
> capital. there is no argument today that can supercede that.
> Thank you kindly,
> Simon Kostenko
> ---- On сб, 28 бер 2015 11:27:35 +0200 *Florian
> Weimer<fw at deneb.enyo.de>* wrote ----
>     * Simon:
>     >> Many government web sites in the Ukraine still use the “Kiev”
>     >> transliteration
>     > For example?
>     “While the Obama administration has publicly acknowledged it is
>     considering supplying Kiev with arms, backed by hardline EU countries
>     like Poland and Lithuania, German Chancellor Angela Merkel has
>     vehemently opposed the move.”
>     <http://www.kmu.gov.ua/control/en/publish/article?art_id=248025420>

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