[tz] OpenJDK/CLDR/ICU/Joda issues with Ireland change

Steve Summit scs at eskimo.com
Fri Jan 26 13:54:22 UTC 2018

Stephen Colebourne wrote:
> Because applications have APIs that they want to continue to support
> in a backwards compatible way. Even if everything were deprecated
> today, those APIs would need to be supported for at least 10 years and
> probably more.

When and how forcefully to deprecate something really is one of
the key questions here.  But I think a big part of the disconnect
is that, in many people's minds, the isdst-related portions of
the TZ API have already been pretty severely deprecated for at
least 10 years (maybe even 20).

So, quite aside from all the discussions over the specific
Ireland case, it's worth asking: If the TZ project isn't already
deprecating timezone and tm_isdst, should it be, and how
strongly, and using what language in which documents?

And what about POSIX?  Is there any way of getting them to
deprecate those inadequate old interfaces, and perhaps
standardize tm_gmtoff while they're at it?

Do we know how many programs are using timezone and tm_isdst
(and the variable that says "this zone observes DST sometimes",
and the other difficult API bits we've been discussing here)?
Do we know why they think they have to use them?  Is there
guidance we can give them to help wean them off them?

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