[UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

Mark Svancarek marksv at microsoft.com
Thu Nov 12 21:54:51 UTC 2015

Ron, we’re about domain names and email addresses, nothing else.  Anything not related to those topics, such as this thread, are random distractions.  Please stay on topic.

From: ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Ram Mohan
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 6:10 PM
To: Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>
Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

This is close to spamming the list.

From: Ron Baione [mailto:ron.baione at yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione at yahoo.com>]
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 3:39 PM
To: Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info<mailto:rmohan at afilias.info>>
Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay

NASA has stated many times that a solar storm could temporarily knock out out the power grid, and without physical money at that hypothetical juncture, people will have to barter. Other possibilities exist now and in the future which make it realistic to expect the safe guard of physical money to stick around at least a few more generations incase of a failed grid event, unless Tim Cook knows thhe future and he knows there will never be a Solar Storm ever again, it just boggles the mind how someone so connected to thoughtful people, especially in the cyber-security industry, could completely discount and disregard Solar activity, where taking money out of circulation would cause a 100% reliance on technology for payments. It would take a while, too long, to reprint and recirculate physical money if that became necessary.

In regards to this topic being relevant to Universal Acceptance's charter, it is because Tim Cook is an influential person in the tech industry and added confusion about the future of the internet, stating there will be a mandatory degree of restricted learning and restricted knowledge conveyance to the next generation via a process only he seems to know about. The language and code additions UA is making in regards to language and other internet necessities should not be deterred, affected by or confused in that described dystopian future by such an unclarified, alternate vision of the future internet.

How can any ICANN working group perform its function to the best of ts abilities, building a better and inclusive internet, when arguably the top Tech CEO in the world alludes to being privy to a future reality ICANN isn't privy to? And if Apple asserts that the next generation will not know what money is, and ICANN and Apple are in the same exact industry, then ICANN has a responsibility in my opinion to at least ask someone at Apple how such an implausible reality will be made possible.

Non-germane topics would more likely include gardening, sports and/or fashion advice. One possibility I thought of as to why such a vague statement was put out there by Tim, is that since everything about the tech industry's daily grind must be exact and precise, once it is time to speak people subconciously go to the opposite mindset extreme, talking vaguely in an effort to even out their robotic and exhaustive efforts with what feels like an excercise in philosophy. As a solution to the recurrence of such subconsious rebalancing of the precision-based mindset with philosophical vague assertions, language graduates should be hired by the tech industry to advise industry leaders on how to limit overall global confusion via their spoken words, symbols and slogans, to speed up progress.


From: Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info<mailto:rmohan at afilias.info>>;
To: Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com<mailto:ron.baione at yahoo.com>>;
Cc: <ua-discuss at icann.org<mailto:ua-discuss at icann.org>>;
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Tim Cook's comments today regarding Google Pay
Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 1:50:46 PM

This is not germane to the universal acceptance topic or charter.

On Nov 11, 2015 9:51 PM, "Ron Baione via UA-discuss" <ua-discuss at icann.org<javascript:return>> wrote:
This email is to request comment from Brent and any Apple representatives regarding Google Pay being recently invoked by Apple CEO Timothy Cook as one of two major "buying and selling" systems within an inevitable cashless society, the other being Apple's pay system:

Timothy stated, "The next generation will not know what money is.". All members of UA and ICANN should be brought up to speed on Timothy's assertion that learning restrictions will be being applied to ICANN and the internet, so that the rest of us can know exactly how such a feat of history deletion and restrictions on the learning and conveyance of historical knowledge would be logically accomplished in such a short period of time. For example:

1) Would older generations not be allowed to describe physical money to younger generations?

2) What date will those conveyance and learning restrictions begin?

3) Will UA and ICANN be forced to participate in the deletion of all photographs, records and mentions of physical money from the internet?

4) Will libraries be forced to discard books that mention or depict physical money?

5) Will ccwg-accountability have to add language to their proposal for the NTIA to resteict future ICANN members from using their connections to Apple and Google against other ICANN members they disagree with on a certain issues as a future intimidation tactic?

6) Is Timothy Cook asserting personal, intellectual control over the next generation of people by claiming to know, without any doubt, what they will and will not know or be able to learn about at an unspecified time of his choosing?

It is one thing to claim that the next generation will not use physical money, but to make such an assertion on what human beings will be aware of and learn about in terms of what they can and cannot learn, as Timothy made, seems to be a stretch of the imagination. Unless of course, Brent and any Apple representatives can fill the rest of us in, respectfully, on the vague process alluded to by Timothy Cook today. If the CEO of a major corporation can assert what humans can possibly learn about in the future, should not such an assertion be at least considered by ICANN's and UA's mission of a free and open internet for all?


From: Rubens Kuhl <rubens at registro.br<javascript:return>>;
To: Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org<javascript:return>>;
Cc: ua-discuss at icann.org<javascript:return> <ua-discuss at icann.org<javascript:return>>;
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Hackathon @ ICANN55
Sent: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 12:18:09 AM

> On Nov 11, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Don Hollander <don.hollander at icann.org<mailto:don.hollander at icann.org>> wrote:
> Here’s my take on the Hackathon idea @ ICANN55:
> 1) ICANN is a technology conference and there would be few technology conferences of its size held in the region.
> 2) I note that ICANN is generally around policies, but there are still a lot of geeks there

ccTLD activities at ICANN are usually of a more technical tone, and ccTLDs are the most used domains in the AF region, not gTLDs. Involving the local IDN ccTLDs might be key to attract more geeks.


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