[UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 18

Ram Mohan rmohan at afilias.info
Fri Sep 30 13:40:45 UTC 2016


That is indeed a positive move. Would you be able to speak to this and
potentially present about this at the UASG workshop at the ICANN meeting in



Ram Mohan

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*From:* Harish Chowdhary [mailto:harish at nixi.in]
*Sent:* Friday, September 30, 2016 8:19 AM
*To:* ua-discuss at icann.org
*Subject:* Re: [UA-discuss] UA-discuss Digest, Vol 21, Issue 18

Hi All,

Yes,it may be possible that it may take another 15+ years to resolve all
the issues of UA.However, there is recent positive development in India
 regarding the same.
It is  about  the launch of Countries *First Make in India IDN based Mobile
Email Services on 10th Oct 2016*

*As per the recent announcement of XgenPLUS:*
XgenPlus is proud to share with you that we have developed Countries first
made in India "client-side" implemented mobile app of non-Latin,
character-based Internationalized Domain Name (IDN) email to support
countries Digital India Mission in various local/regional languages which
means client can have email ID in Hindi (हिंदी), Gujrati (ગુજરાતી), Urdu
(اردو), Punjabi (ਪੰਜਾਬੀ ਦੇ) , Tamil (தமிழ்), Telgu (తెలుగు), Marathi (मराठी)
and lot more.

They are launching Country's First Make in India IDN based Mobile Email
Services with the name *DATAMAIL .*
It a milestone, in pursuit of  complete UA.

Harish Chowdhary

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  1. Re: Some universal acceptance problems last 15+   years...
     (Richard Merdinger)
  2. IDNs & i18n (Andre Schappo)


Message: 1
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 16:47:32 +0000
From: Richard Merdinger <rmerdinger at godaddy.com>
To: Ram Mohan <rmohan at afilias.info>, Kurt Pritz <kurt at kjpritz.com>
Cc: ua-discuss <UA-discuss at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+
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As we look at outreach and efforts to accept issue reports and loop-close
on reported issues, it will be extremely useful to include links to
materials that will enable bosses to send to their engineering teams
saying?hey, do it like this.


From: <ua-discuss-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ram Mohan <
rmohan at afilias.info>
Date: Thursday, September 29, 2016 at 3:03 AM
To: Kurt Pritz <kurt at kjpritz.com>
Cc: ua-discuss <UA-discuss at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+

I blame it on the culture, and on the humans who enable it. Agree that it's
not *just* the programmer's fault, although in your example below, he must
have been semi sedated to write code that catches a non 3/4 character tld,
and then pop up an error message; so inefficient :)

It's literally no extra work to change a regular expression match in code.
It's a kind of laziness combined with apathy that drives this.

Some developers depend on a dns lookup to determine a valid tld, while
others lookup a static list. Poor programming choices, much heartbreak lies
in those directions, too.


On Sep 29, 2016 2:51 PM, "Kurt Pritz" <
kurt at kjpritz.com<mailto:kurt at kjpritz.com>> wrote:

I wouldn't necessarily blame it on the programmer:

Boss: Hello young man. We have a bit of a problem to solve. Some of our web
site users are mis-typing their email addresses. When different government
departments need to get hold of them to correct an error on a form they
submitted, we cannot. These government departments want us to do a check on
their email addresses to at least make sure they are the right format and
allowable content.

Programmer: Sure thing. What's our budget for this?

Boss: Zero.

So, semi-smart solution for no budget.


Kurt Pritz
kurt at kjpritz.com<mailto:kurt at kjpritz.com>
Skype: kjpritz

On Sep 29, 2016, at 12:32 PM, "Jiankang Yao" <
yaojk at cnnic.cn<mailto:yaojk at cnnic.cn>> wrote:

Dear Ram,

  I think that you can be titled as UA pioneer.

Another 15+ years are needed for UA work.

Jiankang Yao

From: Ram Mohan<mailto:rmohan at afilias.info <rmohan at afilias.info>>
Date: 2016-09-29 01:50
To: UA-discuss<mailto:UA-discuss at icann.org <UA-discuss at icann.org>>
Subject: [UA-discuss] Some universal acceptance problems last 15+ years...
On Sep 12, 2001, I helped launch the first non 2/3 character TLD, .INFO.
Many of you have heard about how we struggled to get applications,
browsers, web forms and email systems to recognize the world?s first
four-character TLD as a legitimate extension, including my creation of the
Office of the CTO (in a 3 person startup) to get large companies to return
my calls.

Well, 15+ years later, today I was on the website of the Pennsylvania state
government, and filled in my email address (ending in .INFO
<http://in%20.INFO>). I hit submit, and here is the prompt that came up. I
hit OK, and the site accepted my email and I moved forward with my tasks,
but it?s galling that some programmer _recently_ decided that a non 2/3
character TLD based email address merited a warning message.


Goes to show how long bad habits persist. Also goes to show why the UASG?s
work is important.


Ram Mohan
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Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2016 09:55:16 +0000
From: Andre Schappo <A.Schappo at lboro.ac.uk>
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Subject: [UA-discuss] IDNs & i18n
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My focus in this email will be IDNs and Internationalisation.

As I have previously stated, a fundamental problem is the lack of
Internationalisation in University Computer Science teaching. Computer
Science departments are still dominated by 7bit ASCII text processing.
There should be in depth study and practice of Unicode text processing in
Computer Science departments. Students graduating from such ASCII cultures
will not have the skills necessary to properly implement IDNs. Even worse
they will not even think about non ASCII text and how to design systems
that will process non ASCII text. So the UA problem, along with lots of
other problems, are embedded into systems right from the start.

Unicode is a part of internationalisation of Computer Science. For years I
have been encouraging Computer Science educators to internationalise their
teaching with little success.

I recently changed my tactics. There are groups that promote
"Internationalisation of the Curriculum" i.e. all curricula and not just
Computer Science. I am reaching out to some of these groups and maybe UASG
should also reach out to these groups. I have written an initial short blog
article ?

I have not yet had much response from the groups I have contacted but it is
still early days.

When I get time I will write further blog articles i.e.

? advantages of internationalising Computer Science teaching
? the negative consequences of not internationalising Computer Science
teaching ? one of these being the lack of support for IDNs and EAI in so
many systems

We need every Computer Science student to graduate with an understanding of
internationalisation and hence Unicode and hence IDNs. We need this
critical mass. I am one of few.

Andr? Schappo

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