[UA-discuss] question during G20 for Multilingual Internet

Wed Sep 13 16:24:51 UTC 2023

Michele,

Agree with you entirely. But I am, actually, not waiting for exact 
words, details and context, because the harm is done and we cannot do 
anything about it on global level. And I even don't wish to hear the 
details, because I will get more frustrated.

What I am commenting is how members of UASG are considering those words. 
That's for me only thing we can try to change right now. And by calling 
it "Big development" or "VERY IMPORTANT" or "raising awareness", is a 
matter for us to think what we are doing here, who understand the basic 
concept of UA, and most importantly> it was understood as part of "Govt 
Initiative" in our 5 year strategic plan - we are systematically missing 
the UA basics here and we salute dumb questions?

Dusan

On 13.9.2023. 12:41, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>
> Dusan
>
> I tend to  agree, though I’m still waiting for actual confirmation of 
> what was asked and in what context.
>
> UA is NOT solely about non-Latin scripts and I find it incredibly 
> tiresome when people focus on that
>
> Giving ANYONE the idea that domains can only be in English is just 
> plain stupid and WRONG.
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
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> Dear all,
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> This Ajay's "big news" makes me a little bit sad and a bit worried. If 
> the question was quoted by Ajay how it was posted on that summit, we 
> have many levels of understanding issues in UASG.
> 1. question is framed in a manner that someone forbids using other 
> languages in the domain names. With that info, served to the 
> politicians, who are by design unaware of standards and technology, 
> you created a picture that ICANN or at least some Internet body force 
> us to use English. We can argue that it was a valid statement 15 years 
> ago, but now it is completely wrong.
> 2. there is no 25 percent who speaks English, there is less than that. 
> You can check here - 
> https://myclasstracks.com/how-many-people-speak-english/. Still, this 
> creates false impression that some minority language is forced by 
> ICANN or any Internet body to be used, because we don't expect the 
> politicians to know the history on Internet. Internet was created in 
> the USA, on English language and Latin script, and existed many years 
> before IDNs are introduced and that's why we have Latin script.
> 3. Using "English language" in the question, instead of "Latin script" 
> (which is used the most in the world - 
> https://www.worldstandards.eu/other/alphabets/) again is targeting 
> political battle between East and West. Do we need to be in that 
> battle, as UASG? Ironically, I presume that this question was asked on 
> English language... Using language instead of script is factually 
> wrong from UASG point of view.
>
> Together, those 3 wrong things in the question creates a dumb image to 
> politicians that English language is forced by the West, through 
> ICANN, which is just a political statement for the sake of West/East 
> battle. And very hard one now in today's geopolitical situation. I 
> would argue that we DON'T need such political statements while we are 
> tending to be apolitical in UASG.
> At least, this big news are leading us into wrong direction, and 
> Anil's answer of 5 years of devoted work on this makes me more 
> worried. This question is not something that I would like to be the 
> message of UASG/ICANN and I would be extra careful in today's fragile 
> geopolitical world.
>
> My two cents
>
> Dusan
>
> On 11.9.2023. 17:59, Michele Neylon - Blacknight via UA-discuss wrote:
>
>     Ajay
>
>     You say the question was raised, but by whom and in what context?
>
>     Regards
>
>     Michele
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