[UA-EAI] UA + EAI + Academia

Sat Sep 4 04:54:44 UTC 2021

Hello Sudhanwa,Thank you for your email.  Since I am in Jaipur/India, I would be happy to get on a call to see how we can help / colloborate and also make you and your team part of local initiative. I am connecting you with Sarika, who is championing UA LI in India. Sarika ji, could we setup a call on this please.  AT some point, we could organise a call with NBGP too to exchange ideas. moving EAI WG id in BCC .

Thanks. 

Dr. Ajay DataFounder &amp CEO
From: Sudhanwa Jogalekar via UA-EAI   MailId : [118076918]To: Andr Schappo Cc: ua-eai at icann.orgSubject: Re: [UA-EAI] UA + EAI + AcademiaDate: 03 Sep 2021 11:33:31 PM 
Hi,I am a newcomer to this forum. Got to know about this from Mr. Sarmad Hussain whom we got in touch regarding our new IDN/EAI services idnmail.net  .

I am from Pune Linux Users group (plug.org.in) and many of the pluggies have been working on various projects like FUEL (fuelproject.org),  I have been a visiting faculty in Pune, Symbiosis University collages (sicsr.ac.in) and some other friends from PLUG are also teaching there. We used to do our annual FOSS conference GNUnify (GNUnify.in) for many years and used to have sessions on FUEL, font designing and other language related activities .

Few years back, we had discussed how to get Unicode, L10N, I18N etc. into the core syllabus of the courses in Symbiosis. Lot of brainstorming was done primarily headed by Karunakar and Rajesh Ranjan. (Karunakar is the core person in the IND-Linux activities from the beginning. Rajesh started the FUEL project. I suppose Karunakar is also on the Unicode list and I will ask him to respond on that list ) 
Last few days, I was trying to find some material on this and finally I could find it on the IND-linux mailing list archives. Please go through it as it might help in this discussion .
Here is the link of the mail thread.: https://sourceforge.net/p/indlinux/mailman/indlinux-group/?viewmonth=201603 
Also check the document links there .

Most of the people mentioned in it are from Pune itself and any further help/discussion with them is always possible .
Unfortunately, for some reasons, we couldn`t get this into the formal syllabus.  But when we do teach, Unicode and standards implementations/awareness is surely taken up right in the beginning .

Regards
-Sudhanwa

On Sat, Aug 28, 2021 at 6:42 PM Andr&eacute Schappo via UA-EAI ua-eai at icann.org> wrote:

UA EAIWG Meeting 24 August 2021I am very pleased to see that Academia is being discussed. I am even more pleased that I will no longer be a (mostly) solitary Computer Science voice in Academia WRT i18n, L10n, IDNs, EAI, Unicode, internationalisation of the Computer Science curriculum .etc. I have been championing Computer Science internationalisation for many many years but my many endeavours and initiatives have had little effect.I have much to share and many thoughts and suggestions for this group but for today I will restrict myself to a brief examination of 2 topics. There will be a small number of exceptions to what I write below.① ASCII ➜ UnicodeUniversity Computer Science is dominated by ASCII. Regex is taught using ASCII text only Database storage, searching, matching is with ASCII text only. Programming uses ASCII text only. JSON is ASCII text only. Networking teaching does not cover IDNs.and so on.Unicode is not taught in Computer Science. This has so many detrimental consequences. This, of course negatively impacts on IDNs and EAI and so many other aspects of internationalisation of Computing and the Internet.One of my litmus tests is to set this programming challenge to students ➜ https://jsfiddle.net/coas/wda45gLp In order to solve this one does need a little knowledge of Unicode, but only a little. I have set this to students for several years now. These student include international students from Universities round the world who have completed a 3 year undergrad degree course in Computer Science in their home country. I have never had a correct solution from any student until I explain about Unicode, Unicode regex, NFC, NFD .etc. University Computer Science produces ASCII programmers but needs to be producing Unicode programmers.suggestion: convince academia of the importance of Unicode and that teaching of Unicode is essential and should be a core subject.② Internationalisation of the Computer Science CurriculumInternationalisation of HE is huge and has been so for several years now. It is happening in every University across most disciplines but not Computer Science.There are various aspects to Internationalisation of HE. The 2 aspects I think most relevant are IaH (Internationalisation at Home) and IoC (Internationalisation of the Curriculum). I am a member of the "Centre for Curriculum Internationalisation" forum/email list ➜ https://groups.google.com/g/cicin I am the only Computer Science voice on this forum and here are my posts on this forum ➜ https://고.한국/CCIsuggestion: get involved directly with academic groups, forums, email lists .etc. and champion EAI, IDNs, Computer Science Internationalisation. UASG and Industry has a valid and crucial voice when it comes to which topics should/could be taught at Universities.BTW: I do view IDNs and EAI as a subset of Computer Science Internationalisation.Andr&eacute Schappohttps://고.한국/names

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