[cc-humanrights] draft agenda public session

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

The more I think about it the more I like having the panel full of those
who have issues with it.

Maybe ask James Bladel.  He voiced concerns in the CCWG meeting.

avri


On 29-Sep-15 12:48, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
> Avri
>
> Thanks, but my concerns are very simple.
>
> I think you’ll find other contracted parties and people like Greg would be in a much better position to have a robust discussion on this
>
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> On 29/09/2015 17:28, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I also believe that Wolfgang, like many of the Board is nervous about
>> ICANN committing itself to HR in a bylaw. 
>>
>> But it might be good to get someone from the Contracted parties on the
>> panel.  Like you, Michele.
>>
>> I can write a blog about how terrible I think it is that ICANN cannot
>> even make a simple commitment to respect HR within its mission, and can
>> argue from the floor.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 29-Sep-15 08:38, Michele Neylon - Blacknight wrote:
>>> Avri
>>>
>>> As a European registrar I’m very conscious that ICANN is forcing a bunch of things via policy + contract that are, essentially, illegal.
>>>
>>> But I’d be very wary of how this kind of commitment was made. Simply committing to something and assuming it’ll be sorted out later has not proven to be a particularly sane strategy within the ICANN space.. 
>>>
>>> So while I have no concrete objections to HR, I would want clarity on a variety of things before pushing hard for it.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Michele
>>>
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>>> On 29/09/2015 13:35, "cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Avri Doria" <cc-humanrights-bounces at icann.org on behalf of avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Oh, I did not know you were in the group of people who did not support a
>>>> HR bylaw.
>>>>
>>>> We all have questions about how a commitment is implemented, but i think
>>>> there is a divison between those who belive in the committment first and
>>>> working it out as we go.
>>>>
>>>> And those who want to know exactly what the future holds before making a
>>>> committment to HR.
>>>>
>>>> So I differentiate between
>>>>
>>>> "I support hr, but ..."
>>>>
>>>> and 
>>>>
>>>> "I support hr.
>>>> I do think we need to discuss how we are going to implement this"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>
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