[gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 06 March 2014

[Sarmad Hussain]

Dear All,

 

Thank you for sharing the recordings and sorry for not being able to make to the call.  

 

Listening to the recording, regarding the excellent discussion by Chris on transliteration inaccuracies, I would like to contribute two terminology words and a comment specifically in the context of the discussion around Krung Thep and Bangkok (in which Bangkok is being recommended during the call).

 

United Nation Group of Experts on Geographic Names (UNGEGN) suggests the following relevant terminology:

 

Exonym is the name used in a specific language for a geographical feature situated outside the area where that language has official status, and differing in its form from the name used in the official language or languages of the area where the geographical feature is situated. Examples: Warsaw is the English exonym for Warszawa; Londres is French for London; Mailand is German for Milano. The officially romanized endonym Moskva for Москва is not an exonym, nor is the Pinyin form Beijing, while Peking is an exonym.  

Endonym is the name of a geographical feature in one of the languages occurring in that area where the feature is situated. Examples: Vārānasī (not Benares); Aachen (not Aix-la-Chapelle); Krung Thep (not Bangkok); al-Uqşur (not Luxor); Teverya (not Tiberias).

And in addition, please note that

The United Nations recommends minimizing the use of exonyms in international usage 

Thus, Bangkok is not the recommended form by the UN.    The same applies to other examples from Taiwan discussed in the call, where transliteration/pinyin is recommended by the UN instead of the popular romanized versions.  Thus, if we want to keep Bangkok (over the transliteration) we may want to document clear reasons why we want to diverge from this recommendation.  Or other possibility is that we stick to the UN recommendation and use the transliterated forms (as this may be more consistent for all city names even if it means some names may not be in their popular exonyms).

 

Regards,
Sarmad

 

 

 

From: owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg at icann.org] On Behalf Of Terri Agnew
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Subject: [gnso-contactinfo-pdp-wg] MP3 Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP WG meeting - 06 March 2014

 

Dear All,


Please find the MP3 recording for the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Charter Drafting Team call held on Thursday 06 March at 14:00 UTC at:
 <http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140306-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-transliteration-contact-20140306-en.mp3

 

On page: 

 <http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO

Master Calendar page:

 <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/

 

Attendees:

Jim Galvin - SSAC

Ahkuputra Wanawit – GAC
Mae Suchayapim Siriwat – GAC
Peter Green - NCUC
Petter Rindforth – IPC
Rudi Vansnick – NPCO 

Chris Dillon – NCSG

Pitinan Kooarmornpatana – GAC

Jennifer Chung - RySG

Wolf-Ulrich Knoben – ISPCP

Amr Elsadar – NCUC

Vinay Kumar Singh – Individual

Peter Dernbach - IPC

 

Apologies: 
Justine Chew – At-Large

Ephriam Percy Kenyanito – NCUC

 

ICANN staff:

Julie Hedlund

Amy Bivins

Glen de Saint Gery

Lars Hoffman

Terri Agnew

 

 

** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **

 

 Wiki page:  <http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx> http://tinyurl.com/mpwxstx 

 

Thank you.

Kind regards,

 

Terri Agnew

GNSO Secretariat 

 <mailto:gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org> gnso.secretariat at gnso.icann.org 

 <http://gnso.icann.org> http://gnso.icann.org

 

Adobe Chat Transcript for Thursday 06 March 2014:

 

 

Terri Agnew:Welcome to the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information PDP Working Group on Thursday 06 March 2014

  Chris Dillon:Hello, all

  Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Hello

  Julie Hedlund:Hello everyone!

  Peter Green-CONAC:Hi, all

  VINAY KUMAR SINGH:Hi

  Rudi Vansnick:hu everyone 

  Peter Dernbach:Hello everyone.

  Wanawit Ahkuputra:Sawasdee 

  Jennifer Chung:Hi all

  Amr Elsadr:Hi all. Dialling in now.

  Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:hello

  Terri Agnew:Wolf Knoben has joined

  Wolf Knoben:Hello all

  Chris Dillon:https://community.icann.org/x/bgDRAg

  Julie Hedlund:@Chris: I can try to see if I can go to the URL and share my screen.

  Chris Dillon:Thanks

  Rudi Vansnick:https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47251566/SO-AC%20.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1392913027000&api=v2

  Terri Agnew:Jim Galvin has joined audio

  Rudi Vansnick:sorry wrong link 

  Amr Elsadr:I can't seem to find the final draft submitted by ALAC now.

  Rudi Vansnick:https://community.icann.org/x/bgDRAg

  Rudi Vansnick:it is at the bottom of the page ... 

  Rudi Vansnick:exact

  Rudi Vansnick:sorry .. i was also on another tel call ...  available now

  Rudi Vansnick:multi-tasking OK  multi-listening not OK ;-)

  Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: I don't see why tranlation/transliteration would help manage the relationship between registrars and registrants?? How does that help?

  Rudi Vansnick:@Amr: in case of detailed information if issues are poping up with their domain name 

  Lars Hoffmann:Just to remind the Group that the outcome of the EWG will form the basis for a subsequent GNSO PDP (see also  http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/active/rds)

  Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:+1 to Peter & Amr 

  Peter Dernbach:+1 @Amr

  Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Why do registrars need this info translated/transliterated to deal with popping up issues? I still don't see the association.

  Rudi Vansnick:if the registrar is not fro msame region and can not read the IDN data 

  Amr Elsadr:@Rudi: Registrars are not required to provide services in all languages. If they do, it's up to them to be able to communicate with their customers. However, why would a registrar in Korea providing services in Korean for a Korean IDN be required to translate contact information??

  Amr Elsadr:Just as an example?

  Amr Elsadr:@Chris: Sorry, but which question are we on?

  Rudi Vansnick:@AMR : 6 now

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks. :)

  Amr Elsadr:Is this a final ALAC statement? It doesn't seem to be.

  Amr Elsadr:That comment makes no sense to me!!

  Rudi Vansnick:@Amr : this is quite a normal reaction from the EC 

  Rudi Vansnick:protecting the user/consumer is at high level of priority

  Rudi Vansnick:especially by commissioner Kroes

  Amr Elsadr:Although I don't agree with the Thai GAC rep's comment, it does make sense as an opinion.

  Rudi Vansnick:i will have to leave the call 5 minutes befor ethe hour as I'm chairing another call  just after 

  Amr Elsadr:Just that i agree with Kathy.

  Amr Elsadr:I would like to get input from registrars on this topic. They have far more experience than anyone else does on verification/validation practices.

  Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:The suggestion would be each local language would need to most proper reference to refer to 

  Amr Elsadr:If I'm not mistaken, the UPU addressing system is the standard for display of addresses in the 2013 RAA.

  Amr Elsadr:Just for the formatting.

  Amr Elsadr:I agree that it is cumbersome.

  Amr Elsadr:Especially if there will be a policy for tranlation/transliteration.

  Peter Dernbach:Thanks Chris, Rudi and All!

  Julie Hedlund:Thank you everyone!

  Amr Elsadr:Thanks all.

  Jennifer Chung:Thank you Chris, thank you all.

  Pitinan Kooarmornpatana:Thanks all 

  Chris Dillon:Thank you all.

  Mae Suchayapim Siriwat:thank you

 

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