[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Tue Mar 4 14:19:28 UTC 2014

If the objective of identity verification is to crack down on online abuse, then the harms involving email addresses (gmail, yahoo, etc.) would significantly outweigh those caused by domain names.  But our industry appears to be an easier target, I suppose.

J.

From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 3:29
To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>, "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com<mailto:met at msk.com>>
Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Hi Holly,

"people should not have access to domain names without someone verifying their details"? Really?

So you are saying that over 100 million domain names should not have been registered to their registrants? The status quo for 99.99% of all registrations to date is non-verification and that has worked just fine for now. Sure, there is abuse but so far I have seen no studies that show that increased verification or validation leads to less abuse.

Volker

Am 04.03.2014 05:47, schrieb Holly Raiche:
I have to agree with Steve on this.  People should not have access to a domain name without someone verifying their details - regardless of whether those details are made public or not.

Holly
On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:

Thanks Volker.  It is precisely because “the registrars obligation only extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name with permission of that registrant,” that there should be an independent obligation on the part of the p/p service provider to validate its customer’s contact information.

Steve.

From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
To: Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Hi Steven,

Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive, for a number of reasons.  For example, the Whois data reminder obligation applies to the registrant of record.  In the case of a proxy service, the registrant or record is the service, not its customer.  If a Whois data reminder is sent to a non-proxy registrant and bounces back, then the RAA requires the registrar to re-verify.  But a data reminder sent to a proxy service will almost never bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA obligation to re-verify.   This is so even if the customer data provided to the service is inaccurate or outdated.   In this circumstance it is up to the p/p service accreditation standards to specify the conditions under which customer data must be re-verified.

This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that if such required messages from the registrar do not reach the registrant, it could become the providers' obligation to perform the information requirements on its own. The registrar could then rely on the provider to perform its duties under the accreditation agreement with ICANN just at it performs its own obligations under the RAA.

Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name with permission of that registrant.

V.
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