[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 18 August 2015 at 1400 UTC

Nathalie Peregrine nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
Tue Aug 18 20:36:47 UTC 2015

Dear All,

Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 18 August 2015 at 14:00 UTC at: http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-18aug15-en.mp3<http://mailer.samanage.com/wf/click?upn=NrFWbrBstcrPWP369qgbqlXiSKeL20xnUXzI03ZqpsvU1tvD9KD5J-2BgReDC6W6DkMqb2STHbreK8uPzwNCz5HQ-3D-3D_QuA5zZR9ZZ7J1F2FeF-2FOsgm1hgIDcBrAX2P7Ezxmql7ckJc4ios1-2BxObAoz2rzLSI3c4QB1NGo7bw7XrBjpRCbz74w4vzk48UxZMFoBBQBQaQ0ePdiOjdJ30sQNHkokOf-2F2p-2FBvMgKvMhzp-2B4u8fP-2BRrSytHe2KCf2HpQmtSbpezMgNTUG57PiORAPesOotpHA-2BC4pSmXJRsVmpbNaLqzvViHJVK1bBYTA6wxfBteZRI7gsJgc7XqUziXW9SlKF-2B-2F44orNKSZzUsCmeqfvS9iHGPDUD59iNTPvdDSahOPxtd2zqQfe6ptXujueEKFT3vpZkEM73bvWE7NqbhIE2X-2BqrbbPn-2BAEl4HkjJQ69lZss2n-2Fr3rG7poStj3JnB9qkyLXi47nfojAeEuCzW-2Bf6oBj-2FrakLNUzkHki31uxvHWuKEYTqsKJOeiPrkIh5pWWZDywTvAmnIRbhRAmErGT6k9vmx-2Bi48pG3DLuCUvu7p9MmVlRLJ2TKTa0uCOLuEq9Mf>

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The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:



Graeme Bunton ­ RrSG
Val Sherman ­ IPC

Kathy Kleiman ­ NCSG

Stephanie Perrin ­ NCSG

Terri Stumme ­ BC

Todd Williams ­ IPC

Griffin Barnett- IPC
Sara Bockey ­ RrSG
Roger Carney - RrSG
Frank Michlick ­ Individual

Steve Metalitz – IPC

Volker Greimann - RrSG

Sarah Wyld – RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP

Darcy Southwell – RrSG

Rudi Vansnick – NPOC

James Bladel ­ RrSG

David Hughes - IPC
Carlton Samuels – ALAC
Phil Corwin – BC
Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC
Paul McGrady ­ IPC

Apologies :

Lindsay Hamilton-Reid ­ RrSG
Don Blumenthal - RySG
James Gannon ­ NCUC
Holly Raiche ­ ALAC
Michele Neylon - RrSG
Marika Konings -Staff

ICANN staff:

Mary Wong

Amy Bivins

Nathalie Peregrine

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Thank you.

Kind regards,



 Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 18 August 2015

 Nathalie  Peregrine:Welcome to the Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG teleconference on Tuesday, 18 August 2015.

  James Bladel:Good Morning!  I need to finish up another issue for the next 5-7 minutes.  Will rejoin then.  Thanks!
  Graeme Bunton:You're maybe just a hint quiet Steve.
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Terri Stumme and Kathy Kleiman are on the audio bridge
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Rudi Vansnick has joined the AC room
  Nathalie  Peregrine:David Hughes is on the audio bridge
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Phil Corwin has joined the audio bridge
  stephanie Perrin:Can you up your volume please Steve, can barely hear
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the AC room
  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello, sorry I am late.
  Graeme Bunton:My understanding with 11 is that James' concern was understood and accepted
  Kathy Kleiman:Is there a question 14?
  Mary Wong:Reminder that the "plain" Yes and No answers are the count of those that did not put in additional comments. Those that did are listed individually and are thus not included in this count (e.g. of 36 responders to Q15).
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Roger Carney has joined the AC room
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Griffin Barnett is on the audio bridge
  Rudi Vansnick:@Stephanie: + 1 as i joined recently this WG I need more time to go through all archives and history of what has been done till now
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the bridge
  Carlton Samuels:Morning all
  James Bladel:TEAC is a good model.
  stephanie Perrin:That is truly heroic, Rudi!
  Kathy Kleiman:Question 11 is really question 11 and 14?
  Carlton Samuels:I can't hear Steve at all
  Kathy Kleiman:OK - thanks!
  stephanie Perrin:Morning Carlton!
  Kathy Kleiman:Tx - appreciate it
  Carlton Samuels:Still cannot hear Steve
  Carlton Samuels:Hi Steph
  Nathalie  Peregrine:@ Carlton, I hear him fine on AC audio and audio bridge, would you like a dial out?
  Mary Wong:@Carlton, I can hear him well too, if that helps.
  Carlton Samuels:Hi Nathalie.  Thanks all the same but not in a place to take it.
  Carlton Samuels:I hear everybody else just fine
  stephanie Perrin:Me too, I have a hard time hearing him.
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:No problem hearing Steve through Adobe Connect for me
  Nathalie  Peregrine:Paul McGrady has joined the AC room
  Volker Greimann:Steve is more silent than other speakers
  Paul McGrady:Sorry to be late to the call.  This morning did not work out as I planned!
  Kathy Kleiman:Hi Paul - welcome. Subteam 4 has presented - big picture of our plans and approach
  Volker Greimann:The authority of the complainant should be easily verifyable by looking at the legal grant of authority
  Volker Greimann:such is not the case for a backdoor authorization
  Carlton Samuels:@Graeme Isn't  your angst about lacking due process?
  Paul McGrady:Thanks Kathy!
  Carlton Samuels:..and thus, not about definition of 'law enforcement' but evidence of 'due process'?
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:What is backdoor authority?  It is common in the United States to contract out the work of government/LE... would that be "backdoor"?
  Graeme Bunton:Point taken re: competing standards
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:They wouldn't have a regulatory or legislative mandate?
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:But would be contracted and would be operating under a transfer of powers.
  Mary Wong:Will do, Steve.
  Volker Greimann:Kiran: Exactly, I am looking for legislative or other regulatory authority, i.e. easily verifyable
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:I'm missing what you're saying "exactly" about.  Exactly as in it would have to be a clear letter of authority?
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:Or exactly you would consider this backdoor?
  Kathy Kleiman:From RAA:3.18.2 Registrar shall establish and maintain a dedicated abuse point of contact, including a dedicated email address and telephone number that is monitored 24 hours a day, seven days a week, to receive reports of Illegal Activity by law enforcement, consumer protection, quasi-governmental or other similar authorities designated from time to time by the national or territorial government of the jurisdiction in which the Registrar is established or maintains a physical office. Well-founded reports of Illegal Activity submitted to these contacts must be reviewed within 24 hours by an individual who is empowered by Registrar to take necessary and appropriate actions in response to the report. In responding to any such reports, Registrar will not be required to take any action in contravention of applicable law.
  Kiran Malancharuvil 2:MUTE YOUR SPEAKERS if you're not talking
  James Bladel:mute microphones please
  Mary Wong:Definition now pasted into the right hand side Notes pod.
  Carlton Samuels:I think the SP role is to first establish a sense that 'due process' was observed. Due process in context means some standard of evidence and adjudication from which an action can be adduced.
  Graeme Bunton:Interesting idea James
  James Bladel:Anything that captures the "linkage" between the two docs.
  Kathy Kleiman:Sorry Mary, what other definitions or interpretations?
  Kathy Kleiman:Not a blanket rule;
  Carlton Samuels:What is required is for a response to be 'well founded'!
  Darcy Southwell:Case by case is probably more appropriate.
  Mary Wong:@Kathy, I meant where the report refers to other terms and standards, e.g. IRTP, Whois Accuracy Spec, TEAC, etc.
  Darcy Southwell:Agree with James that the linkage to RAA 3.18 definition is important.  Differing definitions will pose significant implementation challenges for companies who operate as a registrar and a P/P provider.
  Philip Corwin:Agree with james that coordinating the definition of govt. agency for RAA and PPSAI purposes seems like a logical idea.
  Paul McGrady:Thanks Steve.  Thanks Mary!
  Mary Wong:That's right, Steve.

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