[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical

[Greg Shatan]

Ayden,

You are being far too modest; your capacity for phrasing awful
possibilities in emotional language has been amply demonstrated in this
group.  As for the rest of your email, I'm not entirely sure it responded
to my email, since I did not mention "worst case scenarios" at all. I was
referring instead to the proposal that we "model our approach on the worst
case actors."  I merely selected a few types of actual, and not at all
improbable, registrant/malfeasors, so that we could consider them as our
"worst case actors" for determining how to deal with registrant issues if
we were to use the suggested methodology.  Which I do not support.

Greg

On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:46 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Please forgive me here, as phrasing awful possibilities in emotional
> language does not come as naturally to me. So I’ll have to bypass a few of
> your scenarios and instead suggest that you not take the words “worst case
> scenario” literally. After all, I am sure we can all conjure up a worst
> case scenario that is entirely improbable; like if aliens from Mars were to
> penetrate the RDS and to use it as an instrument for finding properties to
> destroy. We should be placing the worst case scenarios in context by
> discussing less devastating but more probable outcomes, and by placing both
> risk probability and risk magnitude at the forefront of our discussions. I
> think this would serve us better than potentially ignoring the ‘warning
> signals’ of what could go wrong.
>
> Thanks,
> Ayden
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental,
> Incidental, and Theoretical
> Local Time: August 22, 2016 9:27 PM
> UTC Time: August 22, 2016 8:27 PM
> From: gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> To: gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>
> "We therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors, not
> the best."
>
> If this is the prism through which we view the "actors" involved here,
> that would need to apply to all the actors -- so we need to view
> registrants as a motley crew of phishers, malware providers,
> cybersquatters, counterfeiters, child porn purveyors, illegal online
> pharmacies, and other assorted malfeasors.  That would make WHOIS/RDS the
> rough equivalent of a sex offender registry, and our requirements regarding
> availability, contactability, accuracy, validation, etc., would need to be
> ratcheted up very significantly.  We may even need a system to track
> registrants, if we follow this thinking to its logical conclusion.
>
> As fascinating as this dystopian worldview might be, I reject the idea
> that this is an appropriate approach to our work.
>
> Greg Shatan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I share the same view, Carlton. +1 to your comment.
>>
>> Ayden
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental,
>> Incidental, and Theoretical
>>
>> Local Time: August 22, 2016 5:02 PM
>> UTC Time: August 22, 2016 4:02 PM
>> From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com
>> To: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>> gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Volker Greimann <
>> vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Simply put: Anything that can be abused, will be abuse. We therefore
>>> need to model our approach on the worst possible actors, not the best.
>>>
>>
>> +1
>>
>> I cannot see how any other model makes sense in this context.
>>
>> -Carlton
>>
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