[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental, Incidental, and Theoretical

Tue Aug 23 08:38:25 UTC 2016

Even in those cases, the presumption of "innocent until proven guilty" 
would prevail, I assume, and prevent the unregulated, free-for all 
access to what still amounts to private details. I am in no way 
defending the practices you describe, but even criminals have basic rights.

To my original argument: If CIA and FBI would have unfettered access, 
why wouldn't their Iranian, Syrian or similar counterparts? Had the 
internet existed a few decades earlier, GeStaPo or Stasi would have had 
a very good time with that data.

We simply have to start with a de minimis approach that we slowly and 
carefully open up the "vault door" as much as necessary, but not further.

Best,

Volker

Am 22.08.2016 um 22:27 schrieb Greg Shatan:
> "We therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible actors, 
> not the best."
>
> If this is the prism through which we view the "actors" involved here, 
> that would need to apply to all the actors -- so we need to view 
> registrants as a motley crew of phishers, malware providers, 
> cybersquatters, counterfeiters, child porn purveyors, illegal online 
> pharmacies, and other assorted malfeasors.  That would make WHOIS/RDS 
> the rough equivalent of a sex offender registry, and our requirements 
> regarding availability, contactability, accuracy, validation, etc., 
> would need to be ratcheted up very significantly.  We may even need a 
> system to track registrants, if we follow this thinking to its logical 
> conclusion.
>
> As fascinating as this dystopian worldview might be, I reject the idea 
> that this is an appropriate approach to our work.
>
> Greg Shatan
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Ayden Férdeline <icann at ferdeline.com 
> <mailto:icann at ferdeline.com>> wrote:
>
>     I share the same view, Carlton. +1 to your comment.
>
>     Ayden
>
>>     -------- Original Message --------
>>     Subject: Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] @EXT: RE: Use cases: Fundamental,
>>     Incidental, and Theoretical
>>     Local Time: August 22, 2016 5:02 PM
>>     UTC Time: August 22, 2016 4:02 PM
>>     From: carlton.samuels at gmail.com <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>>     To: vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>
>>     gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>
>>
>>     On Mon, Aug 22, 2016 at 2:19 AM, Volker Greimann
>>     <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Simply put: Anything that can be abused, will be abuse. We
>>         therefore need to model our approach on the worst possible
>>         actors, not the best.
>>
>>
>>     +1
>>
>>     I cannot see how any other model makes sense in this context.
>>
>>     -Carlton
>>
>>
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