[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] For WG Review - Redlined Problem Statement
Rob Golding
rob.golding at astutium.com
Thu Aug 25 01:02:28 UTC 2016
On 2016-08-25 01:01, Greg Shatan wrote:
> I think we are have a vocabulary problem: I think you are misreading
> what "consumers" means here. I have always understood the reference
> to "Consumers" to mean consumers of goods and services
Yes, that's exactly the way I see it, which is why # of whois queries is
basically meaningless, unless balanced against something like # of dns
queries
i.e. some way to see how many people "consumed" a service vs looked for
"domain contact info" for that servoce
I did some queries earlier, as someone posted April WHOIS counts,
comparing number of requests for A/AAAA records vs number of WHOIS
queries for the same domains, which is way under 0.001%
Sadly there is no (obvious) way to directly equate the # of dns queries
to individual "consumers" as the accessing IP data isn't kept > 30 mins
(and may not be a 1:1 relationship anyway with so many providers using
dynamic and proxy connections)
For example accessing a website over our mobile phone provider shows
their servers doing the resolving, not the current IP of the mobile
phone, and it has some level of caching as refreshes of the pages dont
redo the query, and using a 2nd phone also doesnt redo the query
So 1 dns query could be 1 access by 1 consumer, multiple accesses by 1
consumer or multiple accesses by multiple consumers
- it would however give an "at best x% of consumers do a whois"
> Assuming that is correct, I won't deal with the rest of the email,
> which is predicated on what I understand to be a fundamental
> misunderstanding of the classes of "stakeholders."
I'm interested numbers to support (or not) this "idea" which contradicts
my direct experience as both a Registrar and Registrant, that
Registrants do any significant amount of WHOIS lookups of their domains.
The only time I recall doing regular whois of my own domains was when
consolidating them to our registrar and looking at the status changes
during the process - compared to my getting daily reports using an API
checking the nameservers of my own and domains I have an interest in.
Could I use whois for that - for most tlds, yes - but I hate the idea of
scraping text when there are better options available.
Rob
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