[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Contractibility, PBC and required contact methods....

Fri Aug 25 09:17:52 UTC 2017

Ultimately, we seem to move away from "corner cases". At least many 
arguments where certain information is not available or does not make 
sense are described as such and dismissed.

Requiring an address for legal service seems like another corner case, 
as only a very small minority of all registrations will ever result in 
legal service or process to be necessary. So do we want to include or 
exclude corner cases?

Also note that many other real-world examples where legal service or 
process may become necessary do not have a whois-like database in place 
for easy reference, yet legal service of process still occurs. Those 
serving the process just have to investigate a bit more deeply on where 
and to whom to serve the process.

Best,

Volker

Am 24.08.2017 um 20:04 schrieb Winterfeldt, Brian J.:
>
> Dear all:
>
> We agree it is helpful to keep in mind the point of view that 
> contactability is synonymous with the legal concept of service of 
> process.  However, in the United States there is no firm rule 
> regarding the validity of an email address for this purpose.  Contact 
> information needs to be “reasonably calculated, under all the 
> circumstances, to apprise Defendants of the pendency of [an] action 
> and afford them an opportunity to present their objections.” /See/ 
> /Liberty Media Holdings, LLC v. March/ 2011 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 5290 
> (S.D. Cal. Jan. 19, 2011).
>
> Outside of the United States, email by itself is even more unreliable 
> since each particular country may not have acceded to the Hague 
> Convention governing service of process, and, even if they have, 
> exceptions might explicitly carve still out email addresses.
>
> Thus, we believe it in the best interests of all good actors in the 
> ecosystem to have multiple methods of contactability, including (most 
> importantly) a street address, in addition to an email address.  We 
> could theoretically forego contactability in this regard, if 
> registrants are required to designate an agent for service of process, 
> or if contracted parties would prefer the unnecessary inclusion in 
> legal actions where no service of process can be made on the 
> underlying registrants, or the otherwise directly responsible parties.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian, Phil and Griffin
>
>
> *Brian J. Winterfeldt*
>
> Co-Head of Global Brand Management and Internet Practice
>
> Mayer Brown LLP
>
>
> On Aug 24, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org 
> <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>
> On 24/8/17 9:15 am, Greg Aaron wrote:
>>
>> Two WG calls ago, we had extensive discussion about how legal 
>> processes require multiple methods of contactability.  And require 
>> physical addresses, not just electronic service.
>>
>
> I missed that call, but it's not quite accurate since a court can 
> order substituted service by email.  Even publishing a notice in the 
> newspaper can be used for service if the court allows it.
>
> In any case, I agree with Volker that there should not be three 
> mandatory contact methods.  Physical and/or email address should be 
> enough.
>
> -- 
> Jeremy Malcolm
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> Electronic Frontier Foundation
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