[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discussion Topics

Thu Jul 20 15:51:47 UTC 2017

Maybe we should start selling automated phone mailboxes for use in 
whois. The registrant could set it up with a recorded message and 
thereby fulfill all requirements without having to expose his private 
number.

Volker

Am 20.07.2017 um 17:38 schrieb Rod Rasmussen:
> Chuck,
>
> Please consider it “put forward” then. :-)
>
> I too have been experimenting a bit with registration-specific phone 
> numbers and distressingly find the same issue - call upon call that 
> only started to the number once the data was published in whois *AND* 
> in the hands of the registrar of course (hard to tell who the real 
> villain is given that, probably both).  Many of these are the Indian 
> boiler rooms pretending to be “Microsoft support” for example.
>
> This fits in with the concepts we were discussing last week on 
> “preferred contact methods” for a particular contact object 
> (person/legal entity).  For example, we could still mandate collecting 
> a phone number, but only publishing it for particular purposes and 
> providing a “preferred public contact” method that is less intrusive 
> depending upon the preferences of that contact.  Not saying I endorse 
> that approach or not, just saying that we need to be thinking along 
> those directions.  For example, I could provide my e-mail address as 
> my preferred “public” contact method since I can spam filter it far 
> more effectively than phone calls, but still be reachable via phone 
> for important technical issues or abuse problems with some sort of 
> vetting.
>
> At the end of the day we’re talking about a “directory service” here 
> and we need to be approaching it from how we would engineer one at the 
> end of the second decade of the 21st century rather than the beginning 
> of the last decade of the 20th.  A long list of fixed field parameters 
> tied to a single primary database key (domain name) that are 
> one-size-fits-all for collection and public publication are definitely 
> “old school”.  Object-oriented data with relational pointers and 
> flexible context that allow for differentiated publication are a bit 
> more modern...
>
> Cheers,
>
> Rod
>
>> On Jul 20, 2017, at 7:20 AM, Chuck Gomes Consulting 
>> <consult at cgomes.com <mailto:consult at cgomes.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Johtan,
>> I suggest that you either become a member of the WG and then submit 
>> this request or find a member who would put this suggestion forward.
>> Chuck
>> *From:*Jothan Frakes [mailto:jothan at jothan.com]
>> *Sent:*Wednesday, July 19, 2017 1:58 PM
>> *To:*Chuck Gomes Consulting <consult at cgomes.com 
>> <mailto:consult at cgomes.com>>
>> *Cc:*RDS WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>> <mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
>> *Subject:*Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Discussion Topics
>> Hi-
>> I am an observer on this group, but wanted to ask if it is possible 
>> to inject an explicit 'do not call for marketing' field into the 
>> whois which would be opt-out while we are under the hood.
>> I realize such a thing is likely to be unenforceable, as there have 
>> been disclaimers and directions on use of the whois data within the 
>> output for years that gets completely disregarded by marketers, but 
>> it seems like it could be a hook upon which legislative efforts could 
>> be added.
>> After receiving my 15th call today from aggressive telemarketers 
>> calling me on a telephone number that I created specifically for a 
>> new domain registration made less than 36 hours ago, it is clear to 
>> me that we MUST do something about this predatory behaviour if we 
>> can, and the information is clearly being sourced from whois.
>> -Jothan
>>
>>
>> Jothan Frakes
>> Tel: +1.206-355-0230
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 10:49 AM, Chuck Gomes Consulting 
>> <consult at cgomes.com <mailto:consult at cgomes.com>> wrote:
>>> Here are the list discussion topics in preparation for next week’s 
>>> WG meeting:
>>>
>>>   * Any topics related to the survey that will be distributed later
>>>     today.
>>>
>>>       o Collecting the data element ‘Registrant’ for the RDS
>>>       o Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Organization’ for
>>>         the RDS
>>>       o Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Country’ for the RDS
>>>       o Collecting the data element ‘Registrant Contact’ in the RDS.
>>>
>>>   * Any topics related to collecting the following data elements*
>>>     for the RDS:
>>>
>>>       o Admin Contact & Contact ID
>>>       o Technical Contact & Contact ID
>>>       o Privacy/Proxy Provider Contact & Contact ID
>>>       o Reseller
>>>       o Registrar Abuse Contact Email Address
>>>       o Registrar Abuse Contact Phone
>>>       o URL of Internic Complaint Site (ICANN Whois Data Problem
>>>         Reporting System)
>>>       o Original Registration Date
>>>
>>> * Note that most WG members who responded to last week’s poll 
>>> supported collecting these data elements for the RDS.
>>> If you have any questions, please ask them.
>>> Chuck
>>>
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