[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] authoritative

Mon May 1 12:34:15 UTC 2017

Authoritative is an adjective and thus relative by definition.

One source can be more or less authoritative than another. 

Main Entry: source
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: beginning; point of supply
Synonyms: antecedent, author, authority, authorship, begetter, birthplace, cause, commencement, connection, dawn, dawning, derivation, determinant, expert, father, fount, fountain, fountainhead, horse's mouth, inception, informant, maternity, mother, onset, opening, origin, origination, originator, parent, paternity, provenance, provenience, rise, rising, root, specialist, spring, start, starting point, wellspring
Antonyms: effect, end, result

Main Entry: authoritative
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: recognized as true, valid
Synonyms: accurate, attested, authentic, authenticated, circumstantiated, confirmed, definitive, dependable, documented, factual, faithful, learned, legit, proven, reliable, righteous, scholarly, sound, straight from horse's mouth, supported, trustworthy, truthful, validated, verified, veritable
Antonyms: democratic

Main Entry: authoritative
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: domineering
Synonyms: assertive, authoritarian, autocratic, commanding, confident, decisive, dictatorial, doctrinaire, dogmatic, dominating, imperative, imperious, imposing, masterly, officious, peremptory, self-assured
Antonyms: democratic
Main Entry: authoritative
Part of Speech: adjective
Definition: official, authorized
Synonyms: administrative, approved, bureaucratic, canonical, departmental, ex cathedra, ex officio, executive, imperial, lawful, legal, legitimate, magisterial, mandatory, ruling, sanctioned, sovereign, supreme
Antonyms: democratic

Sincerely,
Paul Keating, Esq.

> On May 1, 2017, at 1:51 PM, Hollenbeck, Scott via gnso-rds-pdp-wg <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org> wrote:
> 
> On an alternative to "authoritative": I prefer to use word that means something along the lines of "closest to the original producer or collector", applying the concept of provenance (information about the creation, chain of custody, modifications or influences pertaining to an artifact) to data. One possible alternative might be "definitive".
> 
> Scott
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
>> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck via gnso-rds-pdp-wg
>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2017 5:07 PM
>> To: dave at davecake.net; gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] authoritative
>> 
>> In preparation for the WG meeting this coming Tuesday, I ask all members
>> to read David's message below and any messages on the list in response to
>> it.  We will try to reach at least a tentative conclusion on this in that
>> meeting.
>> 
>> Realizing that I temporarily halted discussion of issues on the list on
>> Friday, because this is really a definition of terminology and not really
>> an issue of requirements, if anyone has a suggestion for an alternative
>> term instead of 'authoritative', it would be okay to share it on the list.
>> Thanks to those of you who already responded.
>> 
>> Chuck
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-rds-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-rds-pdp-wg-
>> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of David Cake
>> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2017 1:12 PM
>> To: RDS PDP WG <gnso-rds-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [gnso-rds-pdp-wg] authoritative
>> 
>>        I want to just write an (overdue) email recording what I
>> verbalising reported to the meeting earlier this week.
>> The small group looking at the term ‘authoritative’ and its definition
>> concluded that the term was best avoided.
>> Essentially, we identified three ways in which the term was in use, and
>> concluded that the potential for confusion was problematic.
>>        One sense in which it was used was in a technical sense within the
>> DNS. This sense is defined in RFC 7719 (which Andrew Sullivan was a co-
>> author of), and as the DNS and RDS are closely linked systems this
>> presents the potential for confusion. The definition is, however, of no
>> use to the RDS, as it is highly specific to the DNS.
>>        The second sense is in a more general data-theoretic use. This is
>> conceptually related to the DNS use, though there are significant
>> complications. This sense is the sense in which it was earlier used in
>> discussion of RDS requirements - the concept that within a data system
>> there is a source of the data that is considered to have precedence over
>> other sources of data. For example, in many data systems (including the
>> DNS) data may be cached, and that cached data is not considered
>> authoritative, even though it is a copy of authoritative data, and if that
>> non-authoritative data is ever found to be different to the authoritative
>> data, the authoritative data is assumed to be correct.
>>        The third sense is a legal sense, that is data that is guaranteed
>> to be correct by some authority. This sense of authoritative was found to
>> be confusing, and had been found to be problematic in the past, including
>> within ICANN. Michael Palage discussed examples where this had happened,
>> and made a strong case that if the term authoritative was to be used, it
>> would have needed to be appropriately qualified.
>>        With significant potential for confusion, it seemed as if avoiding
>> the specific term, but finding a term that captured the meaning of the
>> data-theoretic sense.A forms of words suggested included "Data from the
>> source repository,”. I felt that while that form of words looked
>> appropriate for our purposes, having untangled the definitional issues
>> that were the focus of the small group, it was appropriate to move
>> discussion back to the main group for further refining of terminology in
>> context.
>>         It should be noted that previous discussion involving the term in
>> Copenhagen did not intend to preclude the use of non-authoritative data
>> (caching and similar issues were regarded as implementation issues for
>> Phase 2, that should not be precluded by requirements in Phase 1).
>> 
>>        David
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