[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] Principle on Proportionality for "Thin Data"access

Wed May 31 19:42:17 UTC 2017

I would like to formally object to this kind of characterization of the 
people who are working in good faith on this working group: 
"self-proclaimed privacy advocates".  I can only speak for myself, so I 
will do only that.....I am not a self-proclaimed privacy advocate.  I 
have been working as a privacy professional since 1984, when I became 
one of the first privacy coordinators for the Department of 
Communications of Canada. I was the first president in 1986 of CAPA, the 
privacy professionals association which we formed and which collaborated 
for many years with ASAP, the US equivalent.  I could go on and on and 
if you require references as to whether or not our views should be 
accepted as having merit, regardless of whether you agree with them or 
not, I am happy to provide them.  But please, let us treat one another 
with a bit more respect.

Stephanie Perrin

On 2017-05-31 13:39, allison nixon wrote:
> Good faith does not excuse ignorance. Such a mistake reveals the 
> extreme tunnel vision by many self proclaimed privacy advocates here. 
> It shows why they butt heads with people who work every day in the 
> trenches to actually protect privacy of real- not theoretical- victims.
>
> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Jeremy Malcolm <jmalcolm at eff.org 
> <mailto:jmalcolm at eff.org>> wrote:
>
>     Again, I really think we need to dial down the level of sarcasm
>     here.  The proportionality proposal was made in good faith.
>
>     However, I'm from a privacy advocacy organization and even I have
>     agreed that there are operational problems with any proposal to
>     limit unauthenticated access to thin WHOIS data.  I agree that
>     while privacy is an absolutely key principle to be upheld, so is
>     the generativity of the Internet, and that unauthenticated access
>     to thin WHOIS data, much of which just replicates the information
>     that end users make available through their own nameservers, is
>     part of the permissionless innovation that underpins many real
>     world Internet applications.
>
>
>     On 31/5/17 10:14 am, allison nixon wrote:
>>     Which includes nameservers, which are collected and propagated by
>>     the registrars. If this is deemed sensitive information, then the
>>     registrars should be careful sharing that data via other outlets
>>     without tight restrictions!
>>
>>     On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 1:09 PM, Michael Peddemors
>>     <michael at linuxmagic.com <mailto:michael at linuxmagic.com>> wrote:
>>
>>         On 17-05-31 10:07 AM, allison nixon wrote:
>>
>>             the rest of it can't be. You can't put a DNS query behind
>>             a EULA. We
>>             can't pretend there are restrictions on this data.
>>
>>
>>         We aren't discussing DNS or any other places that data is
>>         available as part of this working group. Only the informed
>>         consent of data held in whois thin data.
>>
>>
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