[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] ICANN Meetings/Conversations with Data Protection and Privacy Commissioners

Tue Sep 26 16:29:08 UTC 2017

I think we should not get down to whataboutism and focus on our own topics.

Volker

Am 26.09.2017 um 18:21 schrieb allison nixon:
> Can someone clearly and plainly explain why social media exposure is 
> permissible but whois is not, given that both have privacy settings 
> that can be invoked
>
> there is no logical consistency for why social media is fine as-is but 
> whois must be locked down. This only makes sense logically if the 
> privacy controls youall offer to your customers are broken and do not 
> legally qualify as obtaining consent. so please explain
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Dotzero <dotzero at gmail.com 
> <mailto:dotzero at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     You are raising a different discussion/issue Andrew. A discussion
>     of what the working group thinks is appropriate is a different
>     discussion vs assertions as to the legal requirements from various
>     jurisdictions as to what we are obliged to do.
>
>     I keep on hearing law invoked and therefore asked what precedent
>     there is specific to whois and CBDF. It's a straight forward
>     question and with the various privacy and legal experts on the
>     list, one that should be easily answered if there are precedents
>     specific to whois out there. Volker threw up a laundry list of
>     references that don't really apply to the question I asked.
>
>     Michael Hammer
>
>     On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Andrew Sullivan
>     <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com <mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>> wrote:
>
>         On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 10:59:15AM -0400, Dotzero wrote:
>         > predecessor regulations have been around for quite some time
>         and if the
>         > whois privacy issues we have been debating are truly a
>         significant problem
>         > to the extent that some represent them to be, I would expect
>         that there
>         > would have been at least some sort of precedents specific to
>         whois.
>
>         I think that, regardless of any legal cases, the current whois
>         leaks
>         way too much information.  ICANN has an enormous bureaucracy
>         around
>         "whois accuracy" partly (but only partly) because ordinary people
>         don't want to pay extra to keep their home telephone numbers
>         off from
>         being wide open on the Internet, so they lie about it.  There
>         is _no
>         reason_ that we are still using an ancient protocol that was
>         designed
>         for a completely different network environment.
>
>         The IAB recommends, in RFC 6973, that protocols do something about
>         data minimization (see section 6.1).  The evidence we have is that
>         greater exposure of data provides a vector for attacks we
>         haven't even
>         thought about.  Therefore, we should not expose data to everyone
>         unless we are sure that it is necessary (and some of this data
>         _is_
>         necessary to expose to everyone); and we should be able to
>         track who
>         got the data if we're exposing data that is not published to
>         everyone.
>
>         I don't think any of this should be news, and I think it is really
>         strange that we seem still to be discussing whether it is
>         something we
>         need to embrace.
>
>         Best regards,
>
>         A
>
>
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