[gnso-rpm-wg] Suggestion for Leadership Team

Tue Apr 12 15:58:49 UTC 2016

Volker,

I don't think so.  First, Phil represents domain investors, a perfectly
valid but very specific subset of domain name owners.  Second, I think its
very fair to say that there's been a significant degree of alignment
between the interests of domain investors and the viewpoints espoused by
some from the non-commercial user community.  Again, all valid viewpoints,
but ones with a high degree of overlap.  Hence the concerns about balance.

As to neutrality, I agree that it is what is expected, but these and prior
efforts show that importance is placed on where one comes from (both SG/C
and positionally) and I think that reflects valid underlying concerns.

Greg

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Volker Greimann via gnso-rpm-wg <
gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:

> Hi Greg,
>
> I think there is a good balance here, despite your concerns:
> If as you say, represents business interests with an IP focus, Kathy
> represents users of domain names and Phil presents owners of domain names,
> there is no real overlap here, and even if there were, the leaderships role
> is a neutral one and one's own position should not influence the work,
> wouldn't you agree?
>
> While having a leadership position filled by the CPH may be desirable,
> there has been no nomination or volunteer that would fit that slot, AFAIK.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 12.04.2016 um 17:04 schrieb Greg Shatan via gnso-rpm-wg:
>
> I think the balance issue cuts rather differently, and a vice-chair from
> the Contracted Parties House might actually exacerbate the issue.
>
> If we are talking about "formal" representation, both J. Scott and Phil
> are members of the Business Constituency, so it's not fair to say that
> Phil, but not J. Scott, represents "business interests."  On an informal or
> "de facto" level, J Scott tends to represent (or at least stand for) the
> interests of businesses for whom IP is a significant asset, while Phil
> represents (and actually does represent) the interests of domain investors
> (a very specific sector of the business community for whom IP is, at best,
> not a significant asset). As such, Phil's perspectives are far more aligned
> with those represented by Kathy, and that is the imbalance to which I
> refer.
>
> My suggested configuration was intended to find a role for all 3
> volunteers, while maintaining some sort of balance.  If Phil's not
> interested in the GNSO Liaison role, in spite of the fact that it's the
> role he volunteered for at Council, that's fine.  However, that does make
> it appear that this was done as a steppingstone to the Chair and not out of
> interest in the role on its own merits.  Of course, I may be reading too
> much into things.
>
> I'd like to stress that I have the highest respect, and even affection,
> for all 3 volunteers, and for their contributions to ICANN over the years.
> But the configuration of our leadership team has to take other things into
> account.
>
> Greg
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:45 AM, Jonathan Frost via gnso-rpm-wg <
> <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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>> I tend to agree that there might be balance issues in that  the
>> non-contracted party house would have three representatives and the
>> contracted party house would have none.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think a viable option would be to  Phil as the Chair, J. Scott and
>> Kathy as Vice Chairs, and a third vice chair from the contracted party
>> house, to balance the equation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jonathan
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>> *From:* <gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Greg Shatan via
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>> *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2016 10:38 AM
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>> *Cc:* Zahid Jamil-IG via gnso-rpm-wg < <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
>> gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Suggestion for Leadership Team
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>>
>> I have some concerns with this configuration in terms of balance (and
>> related concerns about the accuracy of Volker's categorizations, on both
>> the "formal" and de facto levels).  As such I would instead suggest J.
>> Scott and Kathy as co-chairs, with Phil remaining in the role of GNSO
>> Liaison (the primary role to which Phil was already appointed).
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Shatan
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>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:40 AM, Statton Hammock via gnso-rpm-wg <
>> <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org> wrote:
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>> Also agree with Volker's suggestion.
>>
>>
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>> Statton
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>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 6:30 AM, Gabriela Szlak via gnso-rpm-wg <
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>> + 1 to Volker.
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>> 2016-04-12 10:24 GMT-03:00 Volker Greimann via gnso-rpm-wg <
>> <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> with the list of nominations and seconds that we have right now (and
>> provided we will not get any last minute nominations), it looks like Phil,
>> Scott and Kathy have the most support. While none of these candidates
>> represent contracted parties, I do not see this as a problem, as I have
>> great faith in the neutrality of all candidates.
>>
>> With Phil formally representing business interests, Scott the IP concerns
>> and Kathy the non commercial users, I propose we consider a triumvirate,
>> maybe with one chair and two co/vice-chairs, with Phil as chair and Scott
>> and Kathy as co-chairs.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Volker
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