[gnso-rpm-wg] Directly from INTA's website: What the TTAB has to say about sample size

Volker Greimann vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Sep 5 08:57:48 UTC 2017


Claudio,

please do not confuse my lack of respect for certain data points with 
lack of respect for any members of this group or any person outside. I 
am sure this "study" (questionnaire might be a better word here) was 
well intentioned, but the quality of the data and the interpretations 
that have been derived from it leave much to be desired.

Best,

Volker


Am 04.09.2017 um 18:54 schrieb claudio di gangi:
> Volker,
>
> Substance aside, I encourage you to elevate the tone of your 
> communications on this list.
>
> The words we choose to convey our thoughts matter a great deal, let's 
> aim for language that conveys respect to one another and builds unity.
>
> Best,
> Claudio
>
> On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 5:13 AM Volker Greimann 
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
>     I have no issue with a well-executed study. I do have an issue with a
>     badly done one that then goes to present its results as applicable to
>     the entire market.
>
>     Let us not waste our time with crap data and focus on doing our work
>     well instead.
>
>     Volker
>
>
>     Am 01.09.2017 um 22:33 schrieb icannlists:
>     > I continue to read these statistics lessons from George, Volker,
>     and Paul K. with some amusement.  We are definitely in "the lady
>     doth protest too much" territory here.
>     >
>     > We get it.  You don't like the survey or the information it
>     conveys.  It doesn't fit your narrative or help your goals.  But,
>     it's not like our resident statistical experts have submitted any
>     surveys of their own - scientifically perfect or otherwise - to
>     back up their opinions.  If the INTA survey conducted by Nielson,
>     as Paul K. suggests, is worthy of being "laughed out of the room"
>     where does that leave the personal opinions of those who didn't
>     bother with producing a survey at all?  I suppose that would be
>     whatever is worse than being laughed out of a room...
>     >
>     > So folks, can we move off the unrequested, unhelpful opinions
>     about statistics (which are interestingly not backed up by surveys
>     to validate their accuracy which I find ironic) and get on with
>     dealing with the giant workload before us?  We can't keep wasting
>     time on this circular stuff.  We need to get underway or else risk
>     falling behind SubPro and get the full ire of the community
>     directed at us.  Thanks so much!
>     >
>     > Best,
>     > Paul
>     >
>     >
>     >
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>     <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of George Kirikos
>     > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2017 5:44 AM
>     > To: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org
>     <mailto:gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>>
>     > Subject: Re: [gnso-rpm-wg] Directly from INTA's website: What
>     the TTAB has to say about sample size
>     >
>     > I'm sure many folks are familiar with the concept of
>     "confirmation bias":
>     >
>     > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
>     >
>     > Those who want to give weight to the INTA study, despite its
>     statistical invalidity, appear to me to be suffering from that
>     confirmation bias, as it's a study that happens to confirm or
>     coincide with their prior beliefs.
>     >
>     > As a group, we need to *overcome* those biases, and deal with
>     evidence in a neutral, objective and scientific manner, lest those
>     biases steer us on the wrong course.
>     >
>     > Sincerely,
>     >
>     > George Kirikos
>     > 416-588-0269
>     > http://www.leap.com/
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