[GNSO-RPM-WG] ICE domain name seizures -- potential source of data for RPM PDP?

[Susan Payne]

I completely agree with Phil's comments.



In addition:

1. Can we try to remember that not all rights infringement or enforcement happens in the US or has a US-connection.  From ICE's website the mission is "to protect the national security and public safety of the United States by disrupting and dismantling transnational criminal organizations that engage in cross-border crime".



2. Also from ICE's website: "Due to the lapse in federal funding, this website will not be actively managed".  Presumably there are also other impacts on ICE activity, and this is hardly the first time this has happened.



Let's not argue for replacement of ICANN measures by a so-called "free" option which is not available to all, where any action taken depends on the US's current priorities, and whose funding generally is subject to whatever US political squabble happens to be occurring.



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From: GNSO-RPM-WG [mailto:gnso-rpm-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of George Kirikos

Sent: 02 January 2019 21:13

To: gnso-rpm-wg <gnso-rpm-wg at icann.org>

Subject: Re: [GNSO-RPM-WG] ICE domain name seizures -- potential source of data for RPM PDP?



Hi Theo,



If it was only about copyright issues, then the list will likely be useless, as I agree that it's out of our scope.



But, it's possible (as per the TechDirt article) that it was actually TM issues too, in which case ICE might have gone after cybersquatting.

One will be able to quickly determine things by looking at the actual list of domains.



In the last paragraph of the TechDirt article, the author writes:



"I've fired off a FOIA request asking for the details of these "seized" domains and the communications with those industry partners.

Should ICE ever decide to obey the law and respond to the FOIA, we'll share it here."



But, perhaps someone else here already has the list and is allowed to publish it.



Sincerely,



George Kirikos

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On Wed, Jan 2, 2019 at 4:03 PM theo geurts <gtheo at xs4all.nl> wrote:

>

> Hi George,

>

> Is a full list going to help us here? ICE is focussed on copyright "issues."

> Sure we can discuss if they do it correctly or not, but it seems to be

> out of our scope.

> Our bylaws are pretty clear, not to mention;

> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/icann-is-not-the-internet-content-poli

> ce

>

> Feel free to correct me, I somewhat lost track of this group, so I

> apologize in advance.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Theo Geurts CIPP/E

>

>

> On 2-1-2019 17:48, George Kirikos wrote:

> > Hi folks,

> >

> > Happy New Year.

> >

> > There was news about ICE seizing over 1 million domain names, see:

> >

> > https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/over-million-websites-seized-globa

> > l-operation

> >

> > https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20181213/18030341224/ice-seizes-ov

> > er-1-million-websites-with-no-due-process-apparently-unaware-that-co

> > pyright-trademark-are-different.shtml

> >

> > I was curious whether anyone (maybe a registrar, registry, or TM

> > holders who were involved, i.e. the "industry partners") has and can

> > share the complete list of domain names that were seized, as that

> > might be a potential source of data for our work.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > George Kirikos

> > 416-588-0269

> > http://www.leap.com/

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> > GNSO-RPM-WG at icann.org

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