[tech-whois] SF session details

[Jay Daley]

Hi Werner

On 5/03/2011, at 12:13 AM, Werner Staub wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> 
> I understand you concern, but would nevertheless support Steve's proposal.
> 
> After so many years where process has trumped over content and where we 
> can hardly say that any results were achieved, it would be refreshing to 
> have a hands-on account from someone who successfully implemented a new 
> Whois protocol.

I appreciate the sentiment but would counter that IRIS was a failure not a success because it was intended to deliver on a set of requirements that were never agreed by the community.  I would not want us to repeat that mistake.  

To be clear, I am not saying that IRIS is bad technology, just that it introduced a new set of features hardly anybody wanted to implement.

> That does not exclude the business requirements discussion, nor preempt 
> its results. On the contrary, it would help us make the discussion more 
> substantive.

If this presentation is in the nature of a lessons learned discussion then that would be useful.

cheers
Jay

> 
> Regards,
> 
> Werner
> 
> On 2011-03-04 2:37 AM, Jay Daley wrote:
>> Hi Steve
>> 
>> I'm sorry to say I think this is entirely inappropriate.  We should instead have a session focussing on the new/changed business requirements of a directory service and then consider the protocols, not look at the protocols first.
>> 
>> kinds regards
>> Jay
>> 
>> On 4/03/2011, at 12:59 PM, Steve Sheng wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear tech-whois group,
>>> 
>>>   Good news. We were able to invite Andy Newton, one of the key engineers behind ARIN’s RESTful Whois implementation ( https://www.arin.net/resources/whoisrws/index.html), to give us an overview of RESTful Whois and ARIN’s operational experience with it. Andy was also one of the authors of IETF CRISP requirement (RFC 3707), and the IRIS protocol (RFC 3981, 3982, 3983).
>>> 
>>>   We were unable to get a speaker for IRIS, so instead we will moderate a discussion on the reasons behind the lack of adoption for IRIS, and any important lessons we can learn from the development of the IRIS protocol.
>>> 
>>>   Lastly, there were discussions on the mailing list about proper process and next steps, ICANN staff will be available to answer questions on that.
>>> 
>>>   The session will be on Wed 16 Mar 2011, 16:30 - 18:00. Below is a draft agenda. Let us know if you wish to add additional items to the agenda.
>>> 
>>> Warm regards,
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Steve Sheng
>>> Senior Technical Analyst
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>>> 
>>> ******************************************
>>> Introduction:
>>> 
>>> On 9 December 2010, we convened a workshop on this topic at the 39th ICANN meeting in Cartagena, Colombia. Over 40 participants from the ICANN community participated in a lively discussion, and subsequently we set up a mailing list to continue to discussion.<http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15423<http://cartagena39.icann.org/node/15423>  >
>>> 
>>> There is growing interest on this topic and at the request of the community, we are convening a follow up workshop at the 40th ICANN meeting in San Francisco, CA, USA.
>>> 
>>> The follow up session would be about IRIS and RWS, as explained by the experts. We will invite authors and implementers of IRIS and RWS to present.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Agenda:
>>> 
>>> -  Introduction
>>> 
>>> -  Overview of RESTful Whois [presentation by Andy Newton, Chief Engineer, ARIN]
>>> 
>>> -  Discussion on the reasons behind the lack of adoption for IRIS, and any important lessons we can learn from the development of the IRIS protocol.
>>> 
>>> -  Discussion of next steps and process
>>> 
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