[IAG-WHOIS conflicts] IAG-WHOIS Conflicts call

Michele Neylon - Blacknight michele at blacknight.com
Thu Jan 29 15:05:43 UTC 2015


Raymond

This should have been addressed years ago.. hopefully ICANN is serious about resolving it now and will do so in a sane fashion.
"Sane" does not mean introducing more friction for companies who want to operate in the ecosystem and comply with national law.
Our own experience with this has been very negative.
See:
http://blog.blacknight.com/blow-fuse.html

Ultimately registrars and registries are running businesses - having these kind of obstacles is not helpful and does little to further ICANN's stated goals of "one world, one internet" - it often translates into "one American world, one American internet" .. I also keep thinking of Orwell, but maybe that's just me

Regards

Michele


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From: Raymond HO [mailto:arbitrator at raymondho.com]
Sent: 29 January 2015 13:55
To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu
Cc: jamie.hedlund at icann.org; whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org
Subject: Re: [IAG-WHOIS conflicts] IAG-WHOIS Conflicts call

Thanks, Michele for sharing with us the background of this important issue to the ICANN Registrars and also to the domain name users generally. Personal Data Protection has become a generally accepted component of the human rights projection in the civilized world. Certainly there is some urgency in resolving this matter with no further delay.

If I may quote from Wikipedia ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation ) on the situation in the EU:

"The proposed new EU data protection regime extends the scope of the EU data protection law to all foreign companies processing data of EU residents. It provides for a harmonization of the data protection regulations throughout the EU, thereby making it easier for non-European companies to comply with these regulations; however, this comes at the cost of a strict data protection compliance regime with severe penalties of up to 2% of worldwide turnover." [1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#cite_note-1> Note: The current version contains increased fines up to 5%. [2]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regulation#cite_note-2>"  Attached is the document referred to in note [2] of this remark published at Wiki.

Regards,
Raymond
From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 6:10 PM
To: Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu<mailto:Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu>
Cc: arbitrator at raymondho.com<mailto:arbitrator at raymondho.com> ; jamie.hedlund at icann.org<mailto:jamie.hedlund at icann.org> ; whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org<mailto:whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [IAG-WHOIS conflicts] IAG-WHOIS Conflicts call

We obviously agree with the previous two comments and refer you to our comments from last year:

http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-whois-conflicts-procedure-22may14-en/msg00002.html

Regards

Michele

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On 29 Jan 2015, at 09:44, "Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu<mailto:Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu>" <Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu<mailto:Camino.MANJON at ec.europa.eu>> wrote:
Dear all,

I agree with the position expressed by our colleague Raymond below.

On our side, it is not completely sure we will be able to join the call, but we will try our best.

We provided comments posted in the public forum, which we copy below

http://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-whois-conflicts-procedure-22may14-en/msg00004.html

All the best

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From: whois-iag-volunteers-bounces at icann.org<mailto:whois-iag-volunteers-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:whois-iag-volunteers-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Raymond HO
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2015 7:47 AM
To: Jamie Hedlund; whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org<mailto:whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [IAG-WHOIS conflicts] IAG-WHOIS Conflicts call

Thanks, Jamie.

AS the conference will be held after mid-night my local time, I shall not be able to attend.

After having read the "Procedure", it is a concern to me that the "privacy" issue in the WHOIS information would only be triggered when "proceedings" are taken by Govt authorities against the Registrar.
In my view, the Procedure should be revised to allow for invocation prior to contracting.  Research on the local privacy law requirements should be undertaken by ICANN to see how the "Registrar Contract" on the collection of "WHOIS" information can be done in such a way to minimize the risk of infringement.  With such local legal information at hand, contractual provisions can be revised in advance of "contracting".

Regards,
Raymond HO

From: Jamie Hedlund<mailto:jamie.hedlund at icann.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:36 AM
To: whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org<mailto:whois-iag-volunteers at icann.org>
Subject: [IAG-WHOIS conflicts] IAG-WHOIS Conflicts call

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