[Wp4] WP4 Deliverable: Elaborating an ICANN Commitment to Human RIghts

[Niels ten Oever]

Dear Eberhard,

That's exactly what the text says. Am not sure what is a showstopper for you.

Best,

Niels


On 6 November 2015 07:20:12 GMT-02:00, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.NA> wrote:
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>We have been through this before.
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>ICANN must respect human rights.
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>Period.
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>No watering down.
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>No deferring for ever and a day (until the cows come down, ad kalendas
>Graecas, or for the eco members: Sankt Nimmerleinstag).
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>This is a show stopper for me.
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>el
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>On 2015-11-06 07:57, Niels ten Oever wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> I think the text now clearly sets out the difference between
>> respect and protect, which is both reflected in the analysis and in
>> the bylaw text.
>> 
>> The framework for interpretation and implementation (there are
>> many different ways to do this, it is not black or white) is to be 
>> developed after WS1 (as is also extensively elaborated in the
>> document).
>> 
>> So I am also a bit unclear about the critique of the proposed
>> text.
>> 
>> If you have corrections which can make to text clearer or improve
>> it, for which we can find consensus, I am sure everyone would
>> appreciate it a lot.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Niels
>> 
>> On 11/05/2015 03:43 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>>> My view on this is:
>> 
>>> Either someone respects human rights or one doesn't.
>> 
>>> But to say one respects them and then say "but when we don't, go 
>>> talk to Isaac"[1], is not right.
>> 
>> 
>>> greetings, el
>> 
>>> [1] A variation of the reference to Arkell v Presdramm (1971, 
>>> unreported) pertaining to the Manager of a particular ccTLD.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2015-11-05 16:26, Nigel Roberts wrote:
>>>> I'm fine with the first sentence.
>>>> 
>>>> It's the subsequent qualifiers that could easily be
>>>> interpreted to mean ICANN can ignore it in practice that seem
>>>> problematic to me.
>>>> 
>>>> But no doubt others are better at expressing this than I.
>>>> 
>>>> On 05/11/15 14:15, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>>>> Our very first sentence says that ICANN will respect Human 
>>>>> RIghts.  Still not seeing the issue.
>>>>> 
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