[Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
Seun Ojedeji
seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Wed Feb 22 15:43:14 UTC 2017
Hello Avri,
I do think the proportion of skills/experience would be more in regions
with higher Internet penetration than those with lower penetration.
In context of DNS, I think it's logical that there will be more
skilled/experienced people in regions with more Registry/Registrar
organisation.
So I think applying skill/experience in diversity should not be based
solely on people with "higher" skill/experience rating - inessence
skills/experience should be applied in regional context if those two items
would play a role in ensuring true diversity.
Regards
Sent from my LG G4
Kindly excuse brevity and typos
On Feb 22, 2017 14:28, "avri doria" <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I disagree that skills and experience are mainly of the Global North. I
> think that misses the point that diversity is an essential element of
> skills and experience.
>
> avri
>
> On 22-Feb-17 04:35, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
> > Thank you Avri for summarizing the discussion on skills in the
> > Diversity Sub-Group.
> >
> > I agree that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
> > experience requirements.
> > But I don’t think that skills and experience are elements of
> > diversity, and find this concept dangerous for the diversity; In fact,
> > as everyone knows, skills and experience are mostly present in the
> > north and if they are taken as elements of diversity, the whole
> > diversity will be flooded and we will end up with the same case of a
> > large majority from the north and almost none from the south.
> >
> > In my opinion, the choice should be done according to the skill and
> > experience without using very narrow criteria, and in the pool of
> > those skilled persons, we have to apply the diversity rules.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
> > *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
> > Executive Director
> > Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
> > Phone: +216 98 330 114
> > +216 52 385 114
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------------
> >
> >
> >> Le 22 févr. 2017 à 05:43, avri doria <avri at acm.org
> >> <mailto:avri at acm.org>> a écrit :
> >>
> >> Hi.
> >>
> >> I did take a try in the doc at including this idea.
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >> *2.6 Skills: A variety of skill is important since it is a reflection of
> >> the diverse skill set available within the ICANN Community.While
> >> acknowledging the importance of diversity in the accountability
> >> mechanisms, some members of WS2 have expressed their view that diversity
> >> requirement should not prevail over skills or experience requirements,
> >> but should be an equivalent factor. Others have argued that skills and
> >> experience are elements of diversity. Whether diversity is an essential
> >> element of skills and experience or skill and experience are elements of
> >> diversity ensuring that ICANN is open to diverse participation is
> >> essential to fulfilling the range of skills and experience necessary for
> >> ICANN. If an original assessment of candidates is not sufficiently
> >> diverse to fulfill the skill, experience and diversity requirements
> >> necessary, then efforts need to be redoubled until diversity is
> >> achieved..*
> >>
> >> **
> >>
> >> avri
> >>
> >> On 21-Feb-17 18:32, Rafik Dammak wrote:
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> just to add that during the last call
> >>> (https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=64068802),
> >>> we had consensus around the proposal from Avri and that is currently
> >>> in the document, and getting more input on it.
> >>> @Julie can you please send/add a text around your suggestion i.e.
> >>> diversity in skill sets?
> >>>
> >>> Best,
> >>>
> >>> Rafik
> >>>
> >>> 2017-02-22 7:43 GMT+09:00 Julie Hammer <julie.hammer at bigpond.com
> >>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>
> >>> <mailto:julie.hammer at bigpond.com>>:
> >>>
> >>> *(To Secretariat Staff: would you please release this email to
> >>> the list. I do not have posting rights. Many thanks.)*
> >>>
> >>> Also to add to Lousewies’s point and to clarify what I was saying
> >>> on the call: I was suggesting that we shouldn’t be representing
> >>> this as skills OR diversity, but rather diversity IN skills sets
> >>> ie. listing skills as an element of diversity means that we should
> >>> be seeking to have a diversity of (relevant) skills in whatever
> >>> context we are discussing. In Lousewies’s example, I think that
> >>> the argument "they just don't have the
> >>> skills/experience/background” should be turned around on those
> >>> proposing it by highlighting and advocating the advantages of
> >>> having diversity IN the skills set. Different people have
> >>> different skills and I suggest that all situations/groups benefit
> >>> from having a range of skills available.
> >>>
> >>> So that is the focus that I was trying to suggest we have in the
> >>> paragraph in question.
> >>>
> >>> I also look forward to seeing everyone in Copenhagen.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers, Julie
> >>>
> >>> On 21 Feb 2017, at 7:10 PM, Lousewies Vanderlaan
> >>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
> >>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
> >>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Just to clarify: I was not supporting the formulation persé, I was
> >>> wondering that if it is kept, whether that was the right place to
> >>> do it. It seemed more like a general comment, which pertains to
> >>> all the elements of diversity rather than one which applies only
> >>> to the point of skills. It is the traditional way in which those
> >>> who perpetuate the status quo always argue against the diverse
> >>> candidate: "they just don't have the
> >>> skills/experience/background". It will be comforting to those who
> >>> do not yet see the value of diversity, but I would be more in
> >>> favor of trying to socialize the concept with those people, so
> >>> that resistance becomes negligible.
> >>> It is up to the community to decide whether and when skills trump
> >>> diversity, but I generally agree with those who have said that
> >>> this is a false dichotomy.
> >>> On a personal note, I can tell you from long experience I have
> >>> often seen very competent women bypassed for top jobs, with the
> >>> arguments that they lack the skill set. I see the risk for abuse
> >>> of this "escape clause ".
> >>> I do not think anyone is advocating for an incompetent person from
> >>> for example an underrepresented region/gender to take a leadership
> >>> position. If opponents starts to hammer the competence/skills
> >>> argument, it can be helpful to call this out.
> >>> The fact is that we either have enough competent people or we
> >>> should be educating and grooming enough people in the pipeline so
> >>> that any gap is temporary and this will become a mute point in the
> >>> future (perhaps we can make this explicit in the document?)
> >>> In this regard I believe the document can be very helpful: it will
> >>> encourage the clear measurement and reporting of diversity
> >>> throughout the organization, board and the community. Once we have
> >>> identified where the gaps are we can make sure we put resources in
> >>> those areas to make sure the "argument" of lack of
> >>> qualified/skilled people becomes irrelevant.
> >>> Hoping to see many of you in Copenhagen!
> >>> Lousewies
> >>>
> >>> ……
> >>> Sent from my phone.
> >>> Lousewies van der Laan
> >>>
> >>> On 16 Feb 2017, at 13:56, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
> >>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
> >>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Mathieu
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the increased diversity can
> >>>> actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN but the pair
> >>>> of the conversation we haven't yet considered is the kind of
> >>>> skills that would constitutes skills diversity. Would it be based
> >>>> purely on work experience or academic qualifications or a
> >>>> combination of both? Both you and Lousewies raise important
> >>>> discussion points and look forwards to further discussions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Kind regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Fiona Asonga
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------
> >>>> *From: *"Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> >>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
> >>>> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>
> >>>> *To: *"Rafik Dammak" <rafik.dammak at gmail.com
> >>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>
> >>>> <mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>>, "Lousewies Vanderlaan"
> >>>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
> >>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>
> >>>> *Cc: *ws2-diversity at icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
> >>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:19:16 PM
> >>>> *Subject: *Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Colleagues,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I apologize for not being able to make many of the calls, but
> >>>> congratulate the group on the progress on the document.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I did post a comment on the Gdoc, about the following sentence :
> >>>> “While acknowledging the importance of diversity in the
> >>>> accountability mechanisms, members of WS2 have expressed their
> >>>> view that diversity requirement should not prevail over skills or
> >>>> experience requirements.”
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Lousewies was supporting the formulation, and I understand where
> >>>> she’s coming from on that, but I personally have an issue with it
> >>>> : it implies that there is a mutually exclusive choice to be made
> >>>> between skills on the one side, diversity on the other. I do not
> >>>> share this view. I contend that increased diversity would
> >>>> actually expand the diversity of skills within ICANN.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> What do other group members think about it ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever the outcome of this discussion, it would be useful to
> >>>> detail exactly what kind of skills we want to look at in terms of
> >>>> skills diversity. Is it legal / technical / market ? Others ?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best
> >>>> Mathieu
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> *De :* ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
> >>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>
> >>>> [mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity-bounces at icann.org>] *De la part de* Rafik
> >>>> Dammak
> >>>> *Envoyé :* mardi 14 février 2017 01:03
> >>>> *À :* Lousewies Vanderlaan
> >>>> *Cc :* ws2-diversity at icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org> <mailto:ws2-diversity at icann.org>
> >>>> *Objet :* Re: [Ws2-diversity] Draft 01 Diversity Report
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Lousewies,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for the comments!
> >>>> I moved the document to this google doc so everyone can
> >>>> comment https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-
> CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0
> >>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ziy7NDZZd9bW08HOxY-
> CYUx3qQdno5i9Rqp4fOJtAT0>
> >>>> ,
> >>>> the previous document was in word format . it is in suggestion
> >>>> mode, so you can propose edits and changes.
> >>>> I encourage all members of the subgroup to go through the
> >>>> document and add their suggestions. we will add other parts in
> >>>> coming days.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Rafik
> >>>>
> >>>> 2017-02-12 5:33 GMT+09:00 Lousewies Vanderlaan
> >>>> <lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org
> >>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>
> >>>> <mailto:lousewies.vanderlaan at board.icann.org>>:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>> Congratulations on a strong first draft. As you know, as board
> >>>> liaison I have been mostly observing, but I have taken the
> >>>> liberty to make some small comments in the document in a personal
> >>>> capacity. Hope its useful.
> >>>> I look forward to seeing many of you in Copenhagen.
> >>>> best, Lousewies
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10 Feb 2017, at 17:23, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke
> >>>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>
> >>>> <mailto:fasonga at kixp.or.ke>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hallo All
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please find on the link below the first draft of the diversity
> >>>> report with consolidated views that have bee shared and discussed
> >>>> so far on diversity.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_
> dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing
> >>>> <https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BzFxffuM3Hx_
> dUV1OWc0cDg5QWc/view?usp=sharing>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Since the discussion on the Global Accounts is still ongoing we
> >>>> have considered the input but would like another round of
> >>>> discussion on the same.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Please feel free to share your feedback and edits to the document.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Kind regards
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Fiona and Rafik
> >>>>>
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