[Ws2-hr] Proposed agenda meeting September 27 - 19:00 UTC

[Greg Shatan]

I agree in part and disagree in part:

On Tue, Sep 27, 2016 at 6:05 AM, Schweighofer Erich <
erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at> wrote:
​...​


> The more I read about Ruggie Principles I am convinced that they do not
> really fit for ICANN.

​
I tend to agree with this.​

The hard legal core of ICANN's obligations is much less, even depending on
> the various jurisdictions.


​I'm not sure what this means.  If it means that there are Ruggie
obligations that don't fit ICANN, then I agree.  Otherwise, this needs
further explanation.​



> ICANN is inclusive, e.g. also flexible.


​Again not sure what this means.  If this means that ICANN must be
inclusive of, e.g., New gTLD applicants and ccTLD operators (governments
and otherwise), whether or not they comply with human rights provision,
then I agree.  ICANN can't be a human rights filter for the Internet.  If
this means something else, it needs further explanation. ​



> WS2-HR should focus on the freedom of communication worldwide, subject to
> usual safeguard clauses + the international human rights treaty
> obligations.


​This sounds suspiciously like "cherry-picking" (i.e., picking and choosing
among human rights obligation), and I am firmly opposed to that.  Also
while human rights treaty obligations are relevant (and we need to
determine what we are referring to as such)​ they do not bind ICANN, except
to the extent they have been adopted and codified by applicable laws.  The
Bylaw doesn't take us further than that.



> In an ethical code of ICANN, we can go much further, and here we can
> re-use Ruggie to some extent.


​An "ethical code of ICANN"​ is far, far beyond the mandate and scope of
this subgroup.  Our task is to provide a framework for interpreting the
Bylaw.

It is good to work on an idealistic world but we have to realistic, too.
>

​That I can agree with.
​


> Best, Erich Schweighofer
>
> ​Greg​


>
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> Auftrag von Niels ten Oever
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. September 2016 11:18
> An: ws2-hr at icann.org
> Betreff: [Ws2-hr] Proposed agenda meeting September 27 - 19:00 UTC
>
> Dear all,
>
> Please find underneath and attached the proposed agenda for the call of
> September 27, 19:00 UTC.
>
> Comments and suggestions are welcome.
>
> 1. Administrivia
> Roll call, absentees, SoIs, etc
> 2. Analysis of Ruggie Principles for ICANN - discussion on UN Guiding
> Principles 15, 13, 19 3. AOB
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
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