[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5

Wed Feb 18 16:59:57 UTC 2015

Dear Avri,

I note that there is currently an initiative regarding human rights
and/at ICANN and a session took place in Singapore, to discuss its next
steps.
http://singapore52.icann.org/en/schedule/wed-human-rights
Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 18/02/2015 20:20, Avri Doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Many of us argue that Human Rights is an essential component of any
> definition of Public Interest.  How can something be in the Public
> Interest if it contravenes human rights, especially those that are
> binding upon nations and obligatory for businesses, especially those
> which are defined as adhering to all applicable international law.
>
> However, we have seen that in arriving at expression of public
> interest, it is often necessary to balance those human rights, all of
> which stand equal as human rights, but that have different emphasis in
> different national regimes, even among those who justifiably can claim
> an adherence to human rights.
>
> As a organization, ICANN needs to adhere to human rights mandates and
> needs to do so in the public interest.  It is my understanding that
> our bottom-up processes are the means by which we determine our
> understanding of the public interest.  But in doing so, we must always
> be sure we do not infringe upon human rights.
>
> Just as there are many ways to achieve stability, security and
> resilience, and we determine that through our bottom-up processes, as
> modulated through the advice of our experts on security and stability
> in the SSAC and RSSAC, there are many ways to serve the public
> interest that need to be determined through adherence to bylaws
> manadated bottom-up processes and modulated through expert advice on
> human rights.
>
> So perhaps we should be considering "public interest consistent with
> human rights."
>
> avri
>
> I
>
> On 18-Feb-15 05:15, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> We should avoid to be engaged doing
>>  something that we know would no tangible
>>  results.
>> I do not be infavour of replacing public interest 
>> With anything such as human rights and 
>> freedom Of expression, acknowledging 
>> That the latter two issues are very important 
>> But are quite difficult to limit public interests to 
>> These two issues
>> Pls be prudent
>> Kavouss
>>     
>>   
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On 17 Feb 2015, at 22:43, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm a bit confused Tijani.
>>>
>>> First, you said you didn't remember the suggestion and now you state
>>> the suggestion had no support. As I wasn't able to be in Frankfurt I
>>> would appreciate clarification of the status of this worthy idea.
>>> I'm personally not a big fan of the generic  term "public interest",
>>> finding that in practice "public interest" usually morphs into
>>> "personal interest": that is, "the public it is I". I realise that
>>> creation of a consensus definition of the public interest is called
>>> for in the draft 5 year OP but I do find Robin's idea to be worthy
>>> of discussion by the wider WG and thank staff for including it in
>>> the summary document.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Ed
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes you did in Frankfurt, and there was no support to your suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> The “public interest” or the “benefit of the public, not just in
>>>> the interests of a particular set of stakeholders” had a large
>>>> support as part of the “CCWG Accountability – Problem definition”
>>>> document (purposes of ICANN’s accountability, d.)
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>>>
>>>> Executive Director
>>>>
>>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (*FMAI*)
>>>>
>>>> Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
>>>>
>>>> Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>>>
>>>> Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
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>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> *De :*Robin Gross [mailto:robin at ipjustice.org]
>>>> *Envoyé :* mardi 17 février 2015 18:40
>>>> *À :* Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>>> *Cc :* 'Adam Peake'; 'Accountability Cross Community'
>>>> *Objet :* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Yes, I made this suggestion.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Robin
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2015, at 3:54 PM, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Adam,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> I may have missed some of the mails exchanged but I don’t remember
>>>> that it was suggested that the public interest be replaced by human
>>>> rights and internet freedom.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Tijani
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org]
>>>> De la part de Adam Peake
>>>> Envoyé : lundi 16 février 2015 18:45
>>>> À : Accountability Cross Community
>>>> Objet : [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG list summary, Jan 30 to Feb 5
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Apologies for the delay sending this summary.  It was sent to the
>>>> advisors last week.
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Adam
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>  
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