[CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC

Karel Douglas douglaskarel at gmail.com
Sat Jul 16 01:26:21 UTC 2016


In respect to the matter of legal costs :

What are the suggestions to keep these costs at bay?

(1) is there a cap on legal cost based on the budget for this upcoming
exercise?
(2) If not , can a cap be recommended in terms of the hourly rate payable?
(associate vs partner fees) or
(3) Is there a standing 'retainer' arrangement in place where there are set
legal fees payable every month ( or whatever period ) regardless of the
work provided which will control the expenditure. eg there wont be a fee
for every single opinion sought.

I missed the earlier discussions on this topic hence I do apologise if this
has already be discussed. Thanks

Warm regards

Karel Douglas



On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 8:32 PM, avri doria <avri at apc.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am sorry you are tired of the conversation as I intend to say someting
> on the topic.
>
> Having a default means that extra energy and argument is needed to prove
> why you are not using the default when you decide that the default just
> won't do.  It means not having to argue strongly about why we do not
> want to rely on Staff for some particular issue.  And those
> conversations are rarely helpful to solving an issue.
>
> Being able to choose as appropriate, and taking into account the
> concerns of money, has a lower barrier to doing what needs to be done.
> And we don't have to insult anyone in the process.
>
> I am not on the legal committee, nor do I want to be, but I want them to
> be free to choose the right legal support without the limitations that
> having a default brings.
>
>
> avri
>
>
>
> On 15-Jul-16 16:18, Alan Greenberg wrote:
> > I presume that the inten of having a "default" was that it was what we
> > should use if there were not need for external counsel.
> >
> > I am tired of endless discussions which do not change anything.
> > Regardless of which is "default" or exactly what that means, we will
> > have to make a case-by-case choice.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> > At 15/07/2016 02:44 PM, Rudolph Daniel wrote:
> >
> >> There would seem to be an issue with "default" is there any
> >> substantive difference if we consider independent legal council
> >> "default" with the availability of icann inhouse legal services to
> >> compliment . That would also suggest the need for fiscal restraint
> >> rd
> >>
> >>
> >> Rudi Daniel
> >> /danielcharles consulting
> >> <
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774
> >
> >> /*
> >> *
> >>
> >> On Fri, Jul 15, 2016 at 2:14 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>     Hello,
> >>
> >>     By default means always considering use of ICANN legal staff
> >>     first before going independent. I don't think this should require
> >>     a dialout as I think we all agree that CCWG should have access to
> >>     independent legal whenever required.
> >>
> >>     Regards
> >>     Sent from my LG G4
> >>     Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >>
> >>     On 15 Jul 2016 19:00, "farzaneh badii" <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
> >>     <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com> > wrote:
> >>
> >>         No. Using the independent legal advisers responsibly does not
> >>         mean that we have to have a default approach.
> >>
> >>         I wonder what the next steps would be on this issue. Perhaps
> >>         co-chairs can help us on this ? Are we going to have a call
> >>         and discuss this and come up with a solution?
> >>
> >>         On 15 July 2016 at 19:46, Seun Ojedeji
> >>         <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>             +1 on ensuring access to independent legal adviser
> >>             whenever required by CCWG. This would imply referring to
> >>             internal legal(staff) by default and then call for
> >>             independent legal advice whenever the group sense there
> >>             is need for clarification (or when the issues at hand is
> >>             warranted).
> >>
> >>             Regards
> >>             Sent from my LG G4
> >>             Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> >>
> >>             On 15 Jul 2016 13:19, "James M. Bladel"
> >>             <jbladel at godaddy.com <mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>                 Agree with Keith.
> >>
> >>                 CCWG must preserve the use of independent legal
> >>                 advisors, but use this responsibly, and with an eye
> >>                 on controlling costs.  Ultimately, it is gTLD
> >>                 registrants picking up the bill, and we need to
> >>                 ensure that this work is mindful of their interests.
> >>
> >>                 Thanks—
> >>
> >>                 J.
> >>
> >>                 From:
> >>                 <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                 <mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>>
> >>                 on behalf of Keith Drazek <kdrazek at verisign.com
> >>                 <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
> >>                 Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 16:53
> >>                 To: Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com
> >>                 <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>>, Matthew Shears
> >>                 <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>, Greg
> >>                 Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >>                 <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com> >, Robin Gross
> >>                 <robin at ipjustice.org <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>>
> >>                 Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> >>                 <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >>                 <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> >>                 Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT
> >>                 Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
> >>
> >>                 Agreed. Access to independent legal advice was never
> >>                 in question.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 That said, in the interest of controlling costs, I
> >>                 have no problem seeking input from ICANN’s internal
> >>                 lawyers on issues that are deemed non-contentious or
> >>                 where potential conflicts do not exist.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 I am obligated to report that the Registries
> >>                 Stakeholder Group is very, very concerned about the
> >>                 cost of legal fees from WS1 and wants to ensure the
> >>                 CCWG is efficient with its future spending. I know
> >>                 we’re developing cost-control mechanisms for WS2,
> >>                 and I’ve advised my SG accordingly, but this will
> >>                 continue to receive attention from the RySG.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Holly’s question and the response about budgeting
> >>                 vis-à -vis ICANN’s outside counsel was instructive.
> >>                 Any and all outside counsel expenses will require
> >>                 certification.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 So, let me reiterate my view…the CCWG must have
> >>                 acccess to independent legal advice. We must ensure
> >>                 costs are controlled and resources are used
> >>                 efficiently. If that means selectively turning to
> >>                 ICANN’s lawyers on occasion, I can and do support
> >>                 that, but not at the expense of our ability to seek
> >>                 independent advice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Regards,
> >>                 Keith
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 From:
> >>                 accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                 <mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> >>                 [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org]
> >>                 On Behalf Of Phil Corwin
> >>                 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 5:34 PM
> >>                 To: Matthew Shears; Greg Shatan; Robin Gross
> >>                 Cc: Accountability Cross Community
> >>                 Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT
> >>                 Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Access to independent legal advice for WS2 issues is
> >>                 fundamental and should be non-negotiable
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Use your power, Empowered Community
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
> >>                 Virtualaw LLC
> >>                 1155 F Street NW
> >>                 Suite 1050
> >>                 Washington, DC 20004
> >>                 202-559-8597 <tel:202-559-8597>/Direct
> >>                 202-559-8750 <tel:202-559-8750>/Fax
> >>                 202-255-6172 <tel:202-255-6172>/Cell
> >>
> >>                 Twitter: @VlawDC
> >>
> >>                 "Luck is the residue of design" --- Branch Rickey
> >>
> >>                 From:mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>
> >>
> >>                 Sent:July 14, 2016 5:26 PM
> >>
> >>                 To:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >>                 <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; robin at ipjustice.org
> >>                 <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>
> >>
> >>                 Cc:accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> >>                 <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> >>
> >>                 Subject:Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT
> >>                 Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 + 1 well said Robin.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                 On 14/07/2016 03:20, Greg Shatan wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>                     Robin,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                     Agree 100%.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                     Greg
> >>
> >>                     On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Robin Gross
> >>                     <robin at ipjustice.org
> >>                     <mailto:robin at ipjustice.org>> wrote:
> >>
> >>                     It is simply a non-starter to suggest that CCWG
> >>                     would lose its right to independent counsel at
> >>                     this stage.  I am struggling to understand
> >>                     *where* the suggestion to start this debate all
> >>                     over again even came from.  We have very
> >>                     important issues on our agenda for WorkStream 2
> >>                     that require independence of legal advice:
> >>                     transparency of board deliberations, reforming
> >>                     the DIDP, the CEP, etc., which all involve trying
> >>                     to reform the policies that were created by the
> >>                     in-house legal dept.  It is silly to suggest that
> >>                     we must seek the legal advice from those who
> >>                     created the policies we are trying to reform as
> >>                     that would be counter-productive to our goals.
> >>
> >>                     Additionally it was revealed in yesterday’s
> >>                     calls, that ICANN’s legal dept fees will be
> >>                     added to the CCWG’s independent fees, so CCWG
> >>                     will be billed for the in-house efforts to resist
> >>                     our reforms (and we won’t be given access to
> >>                     the legal advice that we would be paying for).  I
> >>                     think it is extremely important the legal fees
> >>                     NOT be conflated together.  We need to understand
> >>                     what the separate costs are, and we cannot be
> >>                     held responsible for spending on Jones Day that
> >>                     is outside of our control.  Fees that ICANN
> >>                     corporate undertakes must be separated from fees
> >>                     that CCWG undertakes or the proposed budget
> >>                     process makes absolutely no sense, unless it was
> >>                     intended to tie CCWG’s hands and give ICANN
> >>                     corporate a blank check to spend resisting our
> >>                     reforms.
> >>
> >>                     This is an important issue that we cannot roll
> >>                     over on, or everything else we try to do from
> >>                     here on out will be of questionable value.  This
> >>                     settled debate should not be re-opened, despite
> >>                     the huge win for ICANN corporate if were to
> >>                     succeed in over-turning this group’s previous
> >>                     decision on this critical matter of independence
> >>                     of legal advice.
> >>
> >>                     Thanks,
> >>                     Robin
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>                     > On Jul 13, 2016, at 2:06 PM, Niels ten Oever
> >>                     <lists at nielstenoever.net
> >>                     <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net> > wrote:
> >>                     >
> >>                     > Also +1 to Greg and +1 to James
> >>                     >
> >>                     > On 07/13/2016 10:50 PM, Dr. Tatiana Tropina wrote:
> >>                     >> Thanks, Greg. +1. Fully agree.
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >> CCWG shall retain the ability to ask for
> >>                     independent advice. Also agree
> >>                     >> that continuing with Sidley Austin and Adler &
> >>                     Colvin is the best option.
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >> + 1 also to James previous email about not
> >>                     reopening the debate.
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >> Best,
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >> Tanya
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >>
> >>                     >> On 13/07/16 22:42, Greg Shatan wrote:
> >>                     >>> Siva,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> The reasons are all in the record.  Please go
> >>                     back and read all of the
> >>                     >>> materials and discussions relating to our
> >>                     desire and choice to hire
> >>                     >>> independent counsel.  If you have any
> >>                     specific questions after that,
> >>                     >>> please ask them.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> I will briefly say the following:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> 1. This has nothing to do with competence,
> >>                     although being generally
> >>                     >>> competent and competent in a specific area
> >>                     are two different things.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> 2. Where we needed first-hand knowledge or
> >>                     history, we've turned to
> >>                     >>> ICANN legal as one source for such things.
> >>                     That won't change.  Advice
> >>                     >>> is another thing entirely.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> 3. Ask yourself "Who is ICANN legal's
> >>                     client?" and you will have
> >>                     >>> answered your own question.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> Greg
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Sivasubramanian
> >>                     M <isolatedn at gmail.com <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>
> >>                     >>> <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>>> wrote:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>  Greg,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>  ​How valid are your assumptions? What are
> >>                     the reasons for this
> >>                     >>>  unwillingness to make use of ICANN Legal,
> >>                     who are competent, have
> >>                     >>>  first hand knowledge and a complete
> >>                     understanding of the legal
> >>                     >>>  nuances on matters concerning ICANN, may I
> >>                     ask?​ Saves money on
> >>                     >>>  most matters requiring legal advice, and
> >>                     should there be areas
> >>                     >>>  that require specialized advice, we could
> >>                     seek external advice.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>  On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Greg Shatan
> >>                     >>>  <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','
> gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>');>> wrote:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     I object, and I think many others
> >>                     objected, to the idea that
> >>                     >>>     advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal)
> >>                     should be the
> >>                     >>>     "default."  We retained independent
> >>                     counsel to the CCWG for
> >>                     >>>     good reason
> >>                     >>>     ​s​
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     and those reasons are still applicable
> >>                     today.  I hope we don't
> >>                     >>>     need to rehash that.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     We need the continued ability and
> >>                     discretion to go directly to
> >>                     >>>     CCWG's counsel.  Requesting inhouse to
> >>                     solicit an opinion from
> >>                     >>>     an external counsel is not only
> >>                     "cumbersome," it's absolutely
> >>                     >>>     antithetical to the relationship between
> >>                     CCWG and its
> >>                     >>>     independent counsel.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     I strongly believe that the "default"
> >>                     must be the status quo,
> >>                     >>>     i.e., that the CCWG (through reasonable
> >>                     processes) has the
> >>                     >>>     ability and discretion to turn to its own
> >>                     counsel.  Further, I
> >>                     >>>     strongly believe that CCWG's independent
> >>                     counsel must remain
> >>                     >>>     Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin.  They
> >>                     have been up a
> >>                     >>>     tremendous learning curve and worked with
> >>                     us every step of the
> >>                     >>>     way.  It would be folly to cast that
> >>                     aside.  It's worth noting
> >>                     >>>     that Sidley is a full-service law firm
> >>                     with offices outside
> >>                     >>>     the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong
> >>                     Kong, London,
> >>                     >>>     Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and
> >>                     Tokyo.  I'm confident
> >>                     >>>     that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us
> >>                     when they don't have
> >>                     >>>     the expertise to help us, and (b) work
> >>                     with us on working
> >>                     >>>     methods to make our use of the firms more
> >>                     cost-effective.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     Greg
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>     On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph
> >>                     Daniel
> >>                     >>>     <rudi.daniel at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:rudi.daniel at gmail.com>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rudi.daniel at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:rudi.daniel at gmail.com>');>> wrote:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>        Based on comments on the call today,
> >>                     IMO; A good body of
> >>                     >>>        knowledge was accquired on the subject
> >>                     of legal requests
> >>                     >>>        in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be
> >>                     both inhouse and
> >>                     >>>        external, from start, We should be
> >>                     much more efficient
> >>                     >>>        this time around. Each sub however
> >>                     will have their needs
> >>                     >>>        and there may be requests applicable
> >>                     across the subgroups
> >>                     >>>        and/or specific to a subgroup.
> >>                     >>>        So, that suggests close relationship
> >>                     between budget
> >>                     >>>        control and the former legal request
> >>                     team [reconfigured
> >>                     >>>        and/or augmented] who would have to
> >>                     coordinate requests
> >>                     >>>        across ws2 sub
> >>                     >>>        groups as i see it.
> >>                     >>>        What determines the initial choice
> >>                     inhouse/external
> >>                     >>>        resources may be a matter of
> >>                     consensus, but it may be
> >>                     >>>        prudent to consider the process as
> >>                     [default] inhouse with
> >>                     >>>        the flexible and necessary option of
> >>                     external sources by
> >>                     >>>        consensus [as the fog clears so to
> >>                     speak]. I think it may
> >>                     >>>        be cumbersome to request inhouse to
> >>                     solicit an opinion
> >>                     >>>        from an external,  because there may
> >>                     arise an instance
> >>                     >>>        where; on the strength of an opinion,
> >>                     [inhouse or
> >>                     >>>        external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe
> >>                     and seek
> >>                     >>>        alternative advise elswhere.
> >>                     >>>        rd
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>        Rudi Daniel
> >>                     >>>        /danielcharles consulting
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774
> >>                     >/
> >>                     >>>        *
> >>                     >>>        *
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>        On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay
> >>                     Kesari
> >>                     >>>        <vinay.kesari at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:vinay.kesari at gmail.com>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','
> vinay.kesari at gmail.com
> >>                     <mailto:vinay.kesari at gmail.com>');>>
> >>                     >>>        wrote:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>           Dear all,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>           I was unfortunately unable to join
> >>                     the call as I was
> >>                     >>>           on a flight at the time, my
> >>                     apologies. I've just had a
> >>                     >>>           chance to catch up on the Adobe
> >>                     Connect recording, and
> >>                     >>>           I'm happy to reconfirm my
> >>                     willingness and availability
> >>                     >>>           to serve as a rapporteur. Also, I
> >>                     agree with the
> >>                     >>>           thrust of Kavouss' comment at
> >>                     0:24:30, and affirm my
> >>                     >>>           commitment to serve impartially. I
> >>                     look forward to
> >>                     >>>           working with Greg on the
> >>                     jurisdiction subgroup.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>           Separately, on the issue of
> >>                     allocation of legal
> >>                     >>>           requests, I agree that we need
> >>                     further discussion, and
> >>                     >>>           endorse creating an Option 3 based
> >>                     on the points made
> >>                     >>>           and the specific requirements of
> >>                     the different WS2
> >>                     >>>           subgroups.
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>           Regards,
> >>                     >>>           Vinay
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>           On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu
> Weill
> >>                     >>>           <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> >>                     <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','
> mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> >>                     <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>');>>
> >>                     >>>           wrote:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Dear Colleagues,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Attached is a short set of
> >>                     slides to support our
> >>                     >>>              discussion on agenda item #4
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Talk to you in a few hours
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Mathieu
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              *De
> >>                     :*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                     <mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                     <mailto:
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> >>                     >>>
> >>                     [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                     <mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> >>                     <mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>');>]
> >>                     >>>              *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat
> >>                     >>>              *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet
> >>                     2016 19:46
> >>                     >>>              *À :* CCWG-Accountability
> >>                     >>>              *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed
> >>                     Agenda CCWG ACCT
> >>                     >>>              Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Good day all,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              In preparation for your call,
> >>                     CCWG Accountability
> >>                     >>>              WS2 Meeting #2
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw
> >>                     <https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw>>– Tuesday,
> >>                     >>>              12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC.
> >>                     Time zone converter
> >>                     >>>              here
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2
> >>                     >
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              *Proposed Agenda:*
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              1.     Welcome, SOI
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              2.
> >>                     >>>                Articles of Incorporation :
> >>                     finalize submission
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              3.
> >>                     >>>                Appointment of rapporteurs for
> >>                     WS2 – next steps
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              4.
> >>                     >>>                Legal Cost Control Mechanism :
> >>                     initial discussion
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              5.     AOB
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              6.     Closing
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              *Adobe Connect:
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Thank you!
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              With kind regards,
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              Brenda Brewer
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              MSSI Projects & Operations
> Assistant
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>              ICANN-**Internet Corporation for
> >>                     Assigned Names
> >>                     >>>              and Numbers
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
> >>                     >>>
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