[council] [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Wed Nov 22 17:58:17 UTC 2023

Hello, Greg,

I’m sorry for not being able to deliver something under the desirable
timeframe. Right after sending my previous email I heard the news of a
family member passing and couldn’t get myself to finish that.

But in case you’d be willing to consider it still, I could have something
based on the comments by tomorrow morning.

Kind regards,
Bruna

DiBiase, Gregory <dibiase at amazon.com> schrieb am Mi. 22. Nov. 2023 um 18:56:

> Hi Bruna,
>
>
>
> Noting that the draft still appears to be individual comments, and that
> the 27 November deadline for input (along with the US holiday beginning
> this Thursday) is quickly approaching, I’m concerned we don’t have time for
> everyone to conduct a review of a draft and provide comments.  We really
> appreciate the work done to date, but I would recommend bringing these
> concerns to your respective constituencies to ensure any comments can be
> timely submitted.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> *From:* Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 20, 2023 3:20 PM
> *To:* Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>
> *Cc:* Mark W. Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>; Osvaldo Novoa <
> osvaldo.j.novoa at gmail.com>; DiBiase, Gregory <dibiase at amazon.com>;
> gnso-secs at icann.org; mesumbeslin at gmail.com; nacho at amadoz.cat
> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the
> proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
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> Hello, all,
>
>
>
> I just came back from vacation - the first one I managed to take this year
> - and will work on something tomorrow to share with you.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Bruna
>
>
>
> Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org> schrieb am Di. 21. Nov.
> 2023 um 00:19:
>
> Hi Bruna, Mark, and Osvaldo,
>
>
>
> I’m checking back in, noting the impending deadline of Monday, 27 November
> – one week from today.
>
>
> As a reminder, the full Council would need to sign off on this comment in
> order for it to be submitted by the Council.
>
>
>
> Please provide an update as soon as you are able.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> Caitlin
>
>
>
> *From: *Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>
> *Date: *Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:53 AM
> *To: *"Mark W. Datysgeld" <mark at governanceprimer.com>, Bruna Martins dos
> Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Osvaldo Novoa <osvaldo.j.novoa at gmail.com>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <
> gnso-secs at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
>
>
>
> Great team work. 😊
>
>
>
> @Bruna – would it be possible to have something to share with the Council
> by Thursday for the Council meeting? This is an AOB item for the upcoming
> meeting.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Caitlin
>
>
>
> *From: *"Mark W. Datysgeld" <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> *Date: *Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:47 AM
> *To: *Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *Osvaldo Novoa <osvaldo.j.novoa at gmail.com>, Caitlin Tubergen <
> caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>, "gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> *Subject: *Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
>
>
>
> Please go ahead, Bruna.
>
>
>
> ---
>
> Mark W. Datysgeld
> Director at Governance Primer
> ICANN GNSO Councilor
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 09:30
> *To:* Mark Datysgeld
> *Cc:* Osvaldo Novoa; Caitlin Tubergen; gnso-secs at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> Thanks for all the comments and for setting up a document. I have just
> added my thoughts as well since we dont have too many disagreements from
> whats being highlighted on the timing, lack of action plan and methodology
> and so on.
>
> Should i work on some sort of a short comment from the three of us ?
>
>
>
> kind regards,
>
> Bruna
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 11:54 PM Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> wrote:
>
> I think your comments are very timely, Osvaldo. I agree with them.
>
> On 9 Nov 2023 18:40, Osvaldo Novoa wrote:
>
> Thank you Caitlin and Mark.
>
> I share your comments Mark and I have added some of my own regarding the
> delay of the third GNSO Review, due to start in June 2016, and also the
> lack of independent examination.  Perhaps my English is not vey good and my
> text needs some corrections but I think the ideas are clear.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Osvaldo
>
>
>
> On 9 Nov 2023, at 15:07, Mark Datysgeld <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> <mark at governanceprimer.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I have made some initial considerations, under their own header for now,
> so that the other subteam members can evaluate them.
>
> Best,
>
> On 8 Nov 2023 20:29, Caitlin Tubergen wrote:
>
> Thank you for the very fast response, Mark!
>
>
>
> Here is a Google Doc to get you all started: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rx_iHqL48AL2Wccv8MSinCE1I43TBH2JzW8SKLFy1ys/edit?usp=sharing
> [docs.google.com]
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>
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> Of course, please let me know if I can be of further assistance.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
> Caitlin
>
>
>
> *From: *"Mark W. Datysgeld" <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> <mark at governanceprimer.com>
> *Date: *Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 5:21 PM
> *To: *Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>
> <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>, Bruna Martins dos Santos
> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com> <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>, Osvaldo Novoa
> <osvaldo.j.novoa at gmail.com> <osvaldo.j.novoa at gmail.com>
> *Cc: *"gnso-secs at icann.org" <gnso-secs at icann.org> <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> <gnso-secs at icann.org>
> *Subject: *[Ext] Re: Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
>
>
>
> We could attempt to get work going on a Google doc and see where that
> takes us. That might lead into a call depending on whether views align or
> not.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> ---
>
> Mark W. Datysgeld
> Director at Governance Primer
> ICANN GNSO Councilor
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>
> <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 8, 2023 20:17
> *To:* Mark Datysgeld; Bruna Martins dos Santos; Osvaldo Novoa
> *Cc:* gnso-secs at icann.org
> *Subject:* Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic
> Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
>
>
>
> Dear Osvaldo, Bruna, and Mark,
>
>
>
> It was lovely to see all of you in Hamburg.
>
>
>
> I am following up on an action item from the ICANN78 GNSO Council meeting
> related to the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference.
>
>
>
> *Action Item: *GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review
> Revised Draft Terms of Reference: GNSO Councilors to indicate whether they
> wish to volunteer for a small team to develop a comment.  Volunteers during
> the meeting: Osvaldo Novoa, Bruna Martins Dos Santos, Mark Datysgeld.”
>
>
>
> The three of you volunteered to further consider whether the Council
> should provide a comment in response to the Board’s request for comments.
> Osvaldo, in particular, noted the Council may want to consider responding
> to the second identified issue - lack of independent examination in the
> Holistic Review.
>
>
>
> *Question for you: *What is your preferred way to work together on this
> effort? Support Staff can set up a call for you all, or we can assist with
> providing a Google Doc that you can work together on. If there are other
> areas we can help, *please let us know how we can best assist you.*
>
>
>
> I have included the relevant background below. Please note the deadline
> for response is 27 November, so the draft comment (if any) would need to be
> circulated to the full council well in advance of that date to allow for
> full review.
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
>
>
> Caitlin
>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
> *Relevant Background: *
>
>
>
> The ICANN Board is currently seeking the community's input on the proposed Pilot
> Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference
> <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pilot-holistic-review-draft-tor-18sep23-en.pdf>.
> This is an update to the first version posted for Public Comment in August
> 2022 and has been modified to reflect community input. The primary focus of
> the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of Reference (ToR) is to address the
> four primary issues raised during the first Public Comment proceeding:
>
>    - The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
>    - There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
>    - There is a lack of identified dependencies
>    - The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
>    Holistic Review work
>
> The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR document to
> include more direct language and clearer deliverables.
>
> Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and work,
> the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR
> [gnso.icann.org]
> <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/gurnick-to-soac-leadership-cip-ccg-et-al-13oct23-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!93mcVB5brAjpOgOwUK0ZV8Zp6ODqsjMHYUngeh5vTVic_cWDww_BcqQfRGCgYJazq254JgomrE8nXecjXpDkinNHU-HdJy0$>
>  seems fit for purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the issues
> identified in the first Public Comment proceeding.
>
> The following questions are designed to aid responders in formulating
> their views:
>
>    1. Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    as drafted?
>    2. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the first Public
>    Comment proceeding? [The four primary issues include:
>
> 2.
>
>    - The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
>       - There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
>       - There is a lack of identified dependencies
>       - The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot
>       Holistic Review work
>
>
>    1. Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference
>    sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic Review?
>    2. Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review (as
>    noted below)?
>
> For more background information, interested parties are invited to listen
> to the webinar
> <https://community.icann.org/display/atrt/Pilot+Holistic+Review+-+Revised+Draft+Terms+of+Reference+Webinar+-+21+August+2023> on
> this topic.
>
> Deadline for feedback is *27 November 2023*.
>
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> ICANN GNSO Councilor
>
>
>
> --
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> ICANN GNSO Councilor
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>
>
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> *Bruna Martins dos Santos *
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