[council] [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Wed Nov 22 18:23:25 UTC 2023

I'm so sorry to hear that, Bruna.  You are welcome to try to draft something tomorrow, but with the US holiday that gives us the single work day on Monday 27 November to review, provide comments, and try to get consensus support.  I wouldn't want you to spend time drafting something that ultimately couldn't garner support from the Council as a whole.

Thanks,
Greg

From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>
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Hello, Greg,

I’m sorry for not being able to deliver something under the desirable timeframe. Right after sending my previous email I heard the news of a family member passing and couldn’t get myself to finish that.

But in case you’d be willing to consider it still, I could have something based on the comments by tomorrow morning.

Kind regards,
Bruna

DiBiase, Gregory <dibiase at amazon.com<mailto:dibiase at amazon.com>> schrieb am Mi. 22. Nov. 2023 um 18:56:
Hi Bruna,

Noting that the draft still appears to be individual comments, and that the 27 November deadline for input (along with the US holiday beginning this Thursday) is quickly approaching, I’m concerned we don’t have time for everyone to conduct a review of a draft and provide comments.  We really appreciate the work done to date, but I would recommend bringing these concerns to your respective constituencies to ensure any comments can be timely submitted.

Thanks,
Greg

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Hello, all,

I just came back from vacation - the first one I managed to take this year - and will work on something tomorrow to share with you.

Kind regards,
Bruna

Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>> schrieb am Di. 21. Nov. 2023 um 00:19:
Hi Bruna, Mark, and Osvaldo,

I’m checking back in, noting the impending deadline of Monday, 27 November – one week from today.

As a reminder, the full Council would need to sign off on this comment in order for it to be submitted by the Council.

Please provide an update as soon as you are able.

Best regards,

Caitlin

From: Caitlin Tubergen <caitlin.tubergen at icann.org<mailto:caitlin.tubergen at icann.org>>
Date: Monday, November 13, 2023 at 9:53 AM
To: "Mark W. Datysgeld" >, Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Great team work. 😊

@Bruna – would it be possible to have something to share with the Council by Thursday for the Council meeting? This is an AOB item for the upcoming meeting.

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Caitlin

From: "Mark W. Datysgeld" >
Date: Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:47 AM
To: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Please go ahead, Bruna.

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Mark W. Datysgeld
Director at Governance Primer
ICANN GNSO Councilor
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From: Bruna Martins dos Santos <bruna.mrtns at gmail.com<mailto:bruna.mrtns at gmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [Ext] Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Dear all,

Thanks for all the comments and for setting up a document. I have just added my thoughts as well since we dont have too many disagreements from whats being highlighted on the timing, lack of action plan and methodology and so on.

Should i work on some sort of a short comment from the three of us ?

kind regards,
Bruna

On Thu, Nov 9, 2023 at 11:54 PM Mark Datysgeld > wrote:

I think your comments are very timely, Osvaldo. I agree with them.
On 9 Nov 2023 18:40, Osvaldo Novoa wrote:
Thank you Caitlin and Mark.
I share your comments Mark and I have added some of my own regarding the delay of the third GNSO Review, due to start in June 2016, and also the lack of independent examination.  Perhaps my English is not vey good and my text needs some corrections but I think the ideas are clear.
Best regards,
Osvaldo

On 9 Nov 2023, at 15:07, Mark Datysgeld <mailto:mark at governanceprimer.com> wrote:

I have made some initial considerations, under their own header for now, so that the other subteam members can evaluate them.

Best,
On 8 Nov 2023 20:29, Caitlin Tubergen wrote:
Thank you for the very fast response, Mark!

Here is a Google Doc to get you all started: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rx_iHqL48AL2Wccv8MSinCE1I43TBH2JzW8SKLFy1ys/edit?usp=sharing [docs.google.com]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/docs.google.com/document/d/1Rx_iHqL48AL2Wccv8MSinCE1I43TBH2JzW8SKLFy1ys/edit?usp=sharing__;!!PtGJab4!70lEuVKRGkRyBkpfvqbD5TAaQpHj_-KVPR0pYxG3LPmd8lowEANVyadLpiyCR5MwBu6DhsMOwdnFcs85HVJNpyfT9z61QxQ$>

Of course, please let me know if I can be of further assistance.

Kind regards,

Caitlin

From: "Mark W. Datysgeld" <mailto:mark at governanceprimer.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 5:21 PM
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Subject: [Ext] Re: Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

We could attempt to get work going on a Google doc and see where that takes us. That might lead into a call depending on whether views align or not.

Best,
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Mark W. Datysgeld
Director at Governance Primer
ICANN GNSO Councilor
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Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2023 20:17
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Subject: Potential GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference

Dear Osvaldo, Bruna, and Mark,

It was lovely to see all of you in Hamburg.

I am following up on an action item from the ICANN78 GNSO Council meeting related to the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference.

Action Item: GNSO Council comment on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference: GNSO Councilors to indicate whether they wish to volunteer for a small team to develop a comment.  Volunteers during the meeting: Osvaldo Novoa, Bruna Martins Dos Santos, Mark Datysgeld.”

The three of you volunteered to further consider whether the Council should provide a comment in response to the Board’s request for comments. Osvaldo, in particular, noted the Council may want to consider responding to the second identified issue - lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review.

Question for you: What is your preferred way to work together on this effort? Support Staff can set up a call for you all, or we can assist with providing a Google Doc that you can work together on. If there are other areas we can help, please let us know how we can best assist you.

I have included the relevant background below. Please note the deadline for response is 27 November, so the draft comment (if any) would need to be circulated to the full council well in advance of that date to allow for full review.

Thank you!

Kind regards,

Caitlin

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Relevant Background:

The ICANN Board is currently seeking the community's input on the proposed Pilot Holistic Review Revised Draft Terms of Reference<https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pilot-holistic-review-draft-tor-18sep23-en.pdf>. This is an update to the first version posted for Public Comment in August 2022 and has been modified to reflect community input. The primary focus of the Pilot Holistic Review Draft Terms of Reference (ToR) is to address the four primary issues raised during the first Public Comment proceeding:

  *   The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
  *   There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
  *   There is a lack of identified dependencies
  *   The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot Holistic Review work

The ToR Development Team also shortened and revised the ToR document to include more direct language and clearer deliverables.

Considering the potential implications on the ICANN structures and work, the Board is seeking input on whether the revised Draft ToR[gnso.icann.org]<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/gnso.icann.org/sites/default/files/policy/2023/correspondence/gurnick-to-soac-leadership-cip-ccg-et-al-13oct23-en.pdf__;!!PtGJab4!93mcVB5brAjpOgOwUK0ZV8Zp6ODqsjMHYUngeh5vTVic_cWDww_BcqQfRGCgYJazq254JgomrE8nXecjXpDkinNHU-HdJy0$> seems fit for purpose, and whether it sufficiently addresses the issues identified in the first Public Comment proceeding.

The following questions are designed to aid responders in formulating their views:

  1.  Do you support the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference as drafted?
  2.  Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference sufficiently address the four primary issues identified in the first Public Comment proceeding? [The four primary issues include:
2.

     *   The scope of Holistic Review is unclear
     *   There is a lack of independent examination in the Holistic Review
     *   There is a lack of identified dependencies
     *   The community might not have the ability to support the Pilot Holistic Review work

  1.  Does the Pilot Holistic Review Revised Terms of Reference sufficiently clarify the deliverables for the Pilot Holistic Review?
  2.  Do you support the next steps for the Pilot Holistic Review (as noted below)?

For more background information, interested parties are invited to listen to the webinar<https://community.icann.org/display/atrt/Pilot+Holistic+Review+-+Revised+Draft+Terms+of+Reference+Webinar+-+21+August+2023> on this topic.

Deadline for feedback is 27 November 2023.
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ICANN GNSO Councilor

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ICANN GNSO Councilor

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