[CPWG] RFC8890: The Internet is for End Users

[Javier Rua]

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> On Aug 31, 2020, at 6:31 AM, Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  Hi Evan
> I am not sure that a SW daemon could be seen as end user by the RFC8890 definition. Para.2 states:
> In this document, "end users" means human users whose activities IETF standards support, sometimes indirectly.
> To me, that excludes “non-human” entities.
> 
> Anyway, what I find very important is not just the consideration about end users, but the statement in para.3 that:
> […]the IETF is not neutral about the purpose of its work in developing the Internet;
> 
> To me that means an assumption of responsibility about the consequences - including political and social - of the development of the internet, and the need to factor these considerations in the IETF work.
> After all, we all are constantly wondering “why are we doing all this?” and the answer that we give to this question is crucial for the future of the Internet.
> 
> Cheers,
> Roberto
> 
> 
>> On 30.08.2020, at 03:41, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sat, 29 Aug 2020 at 16:50, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
>>> Finally - a definition of ‘end user’ from the tech community - which, of course, I will use.
>> 
>> Exactly what I was thinking. 
>> 
>> While I'm not sure I agree fully with the definition (under which a software demon could be considered an "end user"), at least it's a specific and "good enough" definition. And we need one to end all the needless obstacles to ALAC work under the guise of "so what is an end user anyway?"...
>> 
>> - Evan
>> 
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