[CPWG] Transfer Policy Review Team: Question about the 60-days lock

Wed Nov 10 07:57:41 UTC 2021

Dear Steinar,

you say:
> 
> Another question is whether 60 days is the right number of days. It could be higher or lower.
> 

That was exactly what puzzled me. If I understand the process correctly, there is no reason for having the same number for #1 and #2. Specifically, I would keep the grace period quite long after the initial registration, because there might be a reasonable chance that the affected parties are not all fully aware (e.g. fraudulent action), while after the successful transfer there has been already an interaction.

Cheers,
Roberto

> On 10.11.2021, at 08:45, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG <cpwg at icann.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Gopal,
> 
> Thanks for your input.
> 
> Re Q3: The 60-days transfer lock after initial registration and successful transfer is today implemented in the Inter-Registrar transfer Policy. The majority of the Registries have these locks included in their RRA, but there is an option to change the 60-days lock policy in a reviewed inter-registrar policy.
> 
> Re Q4: Similar to the present option to opt-out of a transfer lock after change of registrant (COR), a reviewed inter-transfer policy can give the option for the Registrant to opt-out of the transfer locks. However, the Registrar may define in their Terms of service that an opt-out cannot be done even though the Registry allow this.
> 
> Another question is whether 60 days is the right number of days. It could be higher or lower.
> 
> Sorry for confusing wording. My intention was to get some feedback from CPWG.
> 
> Regards,
> Steinar Grøtterød
> 
> On 10/11/2021, 06:18, "gopal at annauniv.edu" <gopal at annauniv.edu> wrote:
> 
>    Dear  Steinar Grøtterød,
> 
>    Thank you for the queries.
> 
>    My reference for this discussion is:
> 
>    https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2016-06-01-en
> 
>    ICANN's mandatory verification process of any details is of paramount 
>    importance.
> 
>    #1:
> 
>    The initial registration is frozen after a grace period. Hence I support 
>    the
>    60 - Day Lock - in for any further changes / transfers.
> 
>    #2:
> 
>    I suppose this.
> 
>    #3: Registrar Only ?
> 
>    Transfer is only through the Registrar.
> 
>    #4:
> 
>    Registrants cannot transfer.
> 
>    Quick Notes:
> 
>    Assumption:
> 
>    Contact Updates and Transfers are separate. Contact Updates have the 
>    opt-out provision
>    even now. Transfers do not.
> 
>    Registrar & Registrant
> 
>    If one opts-out of the transfer lock for contact update, one will not 
>    have to wait 60 days to transfer it. But
>    one will still have to wait for any other transfer lock to lapse.
> 
>    Whois Privacy updates are exempt from such lock-ins.
> 
>    Questions for a quick check:
> 
>    How does one ensure that there are no other locks ?
> 
>    Are there any Generic Top Level Domains (gTLD) and Country Codes that 
>    are
>    not effected by this policy?
> 
>    Sincerely,
> 
> 
> 
> 
>    Gopal T V
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>    On 2021-11-09 23:14, Steinar Grøtterød via CPWG wrote:
>> Dear all,
>> 
>> At the TPR WG Meeting on Nov 9, 2021, the 60-days locks were
>> discussed. The present policy – and the majority of Registry
>> Operators, have a 60-days transfer lock after the initial registration
>> of a domain name AND a 60-days lock after a successful inter-registrar
>> transfer.
>> 
>> Based on the discussion in the TPR WG, I would like to hear the CPWG
>> opinion by asking the following:
>> 
>> 1. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after the initial
>> registration of a domain name?
>> 
>> 2. Are we in favor of keeping the 60-days lock after a successful
>> transfer of a domain name?
>> 
>> 3. Could the above be optional?
>> 
>> 4. Should the Registrant has the option to opt-out?
>> 
>> I did not have the time to discuss this with the At-Large TPR members
>> and observers, hence will not ask for a poll. But hopefully CPWG can
>> express their view at the CPWG call on Nov 10, 2021.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Steinar Grøtterød
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