[CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs

Thu Dec 4 09:30:43 UTC 2014

+1

I certainly agree that for ccNSO members the ccNSO sets Policy for those ccTLDs
that recognise the "authority" of the ccNSO.

Many ccTLDs do not.... but the ccNSO still fulfills a useful role - as
highlighted by the recent survey.

the vast majority of ccTLDs pre-exisit ICANN so just as we need to be careful to
respect the existing frameworks and RFC1591 and even those pre1591 -namely
reassignment is a local matter (an no one else... ICANN/ccNSO/UN/ITU etc.)
unless a ccTLD specifically cedes authority to ICANN.

Please note there is no suggestion that ICANN is not respecting the position of
the "independent" ccTLDs and trying to use the IANA transition as a power grab -
if it were to (ab)use the transition, there would be opposition 

Best

Paul 

Quoting "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>:

> +1
> 
> Chuck
> 
> From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Burr, Becky
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:40 PM
> To: Erick Iriarte; Milton L Mueller
> Cc: CWG Stewardship
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> 
> The ccNSO is the source of delegation/revocation policy, based on
> multistakeholder processes, consensus, etc.  That is very different from
> making a judgment in any particular case whether the policy is being applied
> properly.  There are also complicated national law and jurisdictional issues
> that arise in the ccTLD context.  As a ccTLD operator and a gTLD operator, I
> would want the right to challenge any revocation/redel decision on a case by
> case basis.
> 
> 
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> From: Erick Iriarte
> <eiriarte at iriartelaw.com<mailto:eiriarte at iriartelaw.com>>
> Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM
> To: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
> Cc: CWG Stewardship
> <cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> 
> Dear Milton
> 
> almost is important to understand what is the basis of your comment, but is
> your decision share with us your opinion.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Erick
> 
> El 2/12/2014, a las 12:00, Milton L Mueller
> <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> escribió:
> 
> Desiree:
> So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes
> delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO? Or from some other
> "group of ccTLDs"? what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the lawyer
> provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just
> trying to understand what is being proposed.
> 
> Erick:
> My opinion of the legal status of a ccTLD is not relevant to answering those
> questions. I repeat:  I am not criticizing the proposal, I am just trying to
> understand what is being proposed.
> 
> 
> From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:dmiloshevic at afilias.info]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM
> To: Milton L Mueller
> Cc: CWG Stewardship
> Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> 
> Milton
> 
> Before you respond to Erick - I'll just say add that, for example, the ccNSO
> FOIWG worked on interpretation of RFC 1591 and other IANA related policy
> guidelines.
>
http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foi-final-07oct14-en.pdf<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__ccnso.icann.org_workinggroups_foi-2Dfinal-2D07oct14-2Den.pdf&d=AwMF-g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=zck_KKrcnUji57SgytbIp1pTarNrRaI-007tLxDDbv8&s=11OyJb_p43oaQCyz7z_kxCYM3eereRRP4QbpFHQRdHE&e=>
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> My understanding is that bodies like the ccNSO or group of ccTLDs are there
> to develop policies regarding the delegation and redelegation of ccTLDs.
> It's my personal view that it could potentially form such a council in future
> and give opinions. (independent of ICANN board).
> 
> Desiree
> --
> 
> On 2 Dec 2014, at 15:30, Erick Iriarte
> <eiriarte at iriartelaw.com<mailto:eiriarte at iriartelaw.com>> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Milton
> to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is the
> legal status of a cctld ?
> Erick
> 
> 
> 
> El 2/12/2014, a las 10:16, Milton L Mueller
> <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> escribió:
> 
> I have some questions regarding this:
> 
> "The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with
> regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of ICANN)
> that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy requirements
> cited in the publicly posted reports."
> 
> Where would this counsel come from?
> Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying the
> IANA service?
> Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD
> delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what basis
> is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?
> 
> Milton L. Mueller
> Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
> Syracuse University School of Information Studies
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