[CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs

Thu Dec 4 09:34:18 UTC 2014

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Paul M Kane - CWG <paul.kane-cwg at icb.co.uk>
wrote:

> +1
>
> Please note there is no suggestion that ICANN is not respecting the
> position of
> the "independent" ccTLDs and trying to use the IANA transition as a power
> grab -
> if it were to (ab)use the transition, there would be opposition
>

+1

Cheers!

>
> Best
>
> Paul
>
> Quoting "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>:
>
> > +1
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
> > [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Burr, Becky
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2014 5:40 PM
> > To: Erick Iriarte; Milton L Mueller
> > Cc: CWG Stewardship
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> >
> > The ccNSO is the source of delegation/revocation policy, based on
> > multistakeholder processes, consensus, etc.  That is very different from
> > making a judgment in any particular case whether the policy is being
> applied
> > properly.  There are also complicated national law and jurisdictional
> issues
> > that arise in the ccTLD context.  As a ccTLD operator and a gTLD
> operator, I
> > would want the right to challenge any revocation/redel decision on a
> case by
> > case basis.
> >
> >
> > J. Beckwith Burr
> > Neustar, Inc. / Deputy General Counsel and Chief Privacy Officer
> > 1775 Pennsylvania Avenue NW, Washington, DC 20006
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> > becky.burr at neustar.biz<mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz> /
> > www.neustar.biz<http://www.neustar.biz>
> >
> > From: Erick Iriarte
> > <eiriarte at iriartelaw.com<mailto:eiriarte at iriartelaw.com>>
> > Date: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 at 12:12 PM
> > To: Milton L Mueller <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>>
> > Cc: CWG Stewardship
> > <cwg-stewardship at icann.org<mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>>
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> >
> > Dear Milton
> >
> > almost is important to understand what is the basis of your comment, but
> is
> > your decision share with us your opinion.
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Erick
> >
> > El 2/12/2014, a las 12:00, Milton L Mueller
> > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> escribió:
> >
> > Desiree:
> > So, according to you, the lawyer (counsel) who authorizes
> > delegations/redelegations would be provided by the ccNSO? Or from some
> other
> > "group of ccTLDs"? what if the ccNSO lawyer had one opinion and the
> lawyer
> > provided by another group had a different opinion? Not criticizing, just
> > trying to understand what is being proposed.
> >
> > Erick:
> > My opinion of the legal status of a ccTLD is not relevant to answering
> those
> > questions. I repeat:  I am not criticizing the proposal, I am just
> trying to
> > understand what is being proposed.
> >
> >
> > From: Desiree Miloshevic [mailto:dmiloshevic at afilias.info]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 10:51 AM
> > To: Milton L Mueller
> > Cc: CWG Stewardship
> > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] authorization function for ccTLDs
> >
> > Milton
> >
> > Before you respond to Erick - I'll just say add that, for example, the
> ccNSO
> > FOIWG worked on interpretation of RFC 1591 and other IANA related policy
> > guidelines.
> >
> http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/foi-final-07oct14-en.pdf<
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> >
> >
> > My understanding is that bodies like the ccNSO or group of ccTLDs are
> there
> > to develop policies regarding the delegation and redelegation of ccTLDs.
> > It's my personal view that it could potentially form such a council in
> future
> > and give opinions. (independent of ICANN board).
> >
> > Desiree
> > --
> >
> > On 2 Dec 2014, at 15:30, Erick Iriarte
> > <eiriarte at iriartelaw.com<mailto:eiriarte at iriartelaw.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Milton
> > to understand better your message and position: for you exactly what is
> the
> > legal status of a cctld ?
> > Erick
> >
> >
> >
> > El 2/12/2014, a las 10:16, Milton L Mueller
> > <mueller at syr.edu<mailto:mueller at syr.edu>> escribió:
> >
> > I have some questions regarding this:
> >
> > "The CWG is considering replacing the authorization role, at least with
> > regard to ccTLDs, with a written opinion from counsel (independent of
> ICANN)
> > that each delegation and re-delegation request meets the policy
> requirements
> > cited in the publicly posted reports."
> >
> > Where would this counsel come from?
> > Whose counsel is it if it is independent of ICANN and ICANN is supplying
> the
> > IANA service?
> > Since most of the policy requirements related to ccTLD
> > delegation/redelegation are not laws, but things like RFC 1591, on what
> basis
> > is the counsel's opinion made? Precedent?
> >
> > Milton L. Mueller
> > Laura J. and L. Douglas Meredith Professor
> > Syracuse University School of Information Studies
> >
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