[CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"

matthew shears mshears at cdt.org
Mon Sep 5 20:07:23 UTC 2016


Agree - thanks both.


On 05/09/2016 21:06, Greg Shatan wrote:
> Jonathan,
>
> Thanks.  I think it is a more accurate representation.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 5:23 AM, Jonathan Robinson 
> <jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>> wrote:
>
>     Greg and others,
>
>     Apologies, for the slow response.
>
>     I recall it very slightly differently in that, we provisionally
>     ended up with:
>
>     The Chartering Organisations (of the CWG) through:
>
>     a)The CWG, so long as it exists, and thereafter
>
>     b)Their Chairs
>
>     Jonathan
>
>     *From:*Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>     <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>]
>     *Sent:* 01 September 2016 22:55
>     *To:* Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>     <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>>
>
>
>     *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>     *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible Definitions/Compositions
>     of the "Names Community"
>
>     Provisionally, we have ended up with:
>
>     a) the CWG so long as it exists, followed by
>
>     b) the Chartering Organizations, acting by their Chairs.
>
>     Greg
>
>     On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 5:49 PM, Seun Ojedeji
>     <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>         Lost audio[1] at the time Jonathan was making suggestions
>         about the "names community". I think the phrase suggested; on
>         behalf of "members of the CWG" may be somewhat personal. On
>         behalf the "chartering organisations of CWG" may be more ideal.
>
>         On another note, suggestion about exploring memberships drawn
>         the CO to form a group smaller than current CWG for the task
>         is worth exploring future.
>
>         Regards
>         1. Looks like Brenda is not on her Skype either so I couldn't
>         get a quick redial, if the meeting is still pretty much on I
>         will appreciate a dialout.
>
>         Sent from my LG G4
>         Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
>         On 1 Sep 2016 8:46 p.m., "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com
>         <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>
>             #3 might be worth exploring further.
>
>             Chuck
>
>             *From:*Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>             <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>]
>             *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 2:34 PM
>             *To:* Gomes, Chuck
>             *Cc:* Seun Ojedeji; cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>
>
>             *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
>             Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"
>
>             Thank you for these very helpful comments.
>
>             We may be overthinking things a bit.
>
>             The CWG has been acting in the interests of the "Names
>             Community" and has done some very significant things
>             acting in that capacity.  Our report and recommendations
>             were considered to be and treated as the proposal of the
>             "Names Community."  This isn't much more than an
>             implementation detail of that report.  So thinking that we
>             need to come up with a whole new understanding of the
>             "Names Community" and how to action on its behalf on this
>             small aspect of our work seems out of scale and out of scope.
>
>             Much of the operational work will take place in the CSC,
>             IFR and SCWG, with the CCG representatives and/or the
>             signatory acting primarily as a delivery mechanism or
>             point of contact. Both the CCG and the actions taken by
>             the signatory will be dependent on actions of these other
>             groups.
>
>             Overall, I tend to agree with Seun, that the oversight
>             should be handled by the Chartering Organizations and to
>             the extent applicable, by the methods we've created (CSC,
>             IFR, SCWG) communicated by the CCG representatives.
>
>             ICANN as the signatory also makes sense, though its role
>             should be that of a conduit. ICANN itself should not have
>             an operational role, since the oversight involved here is
>             either (a) oversight of ICANN or (b) oversight of an
>             entity contracting with ICANN (IETF Trust).  As indicated
>             above and in my earlier email, we already have operational
>             solutions for most (if not all) of the tasks of the CCG
>             and signatory.
>
>             At the next level the question is: how should the
>             Chartering Organizations function in order to deal with
>             the tasks at hand (choosing the CCG members, etc., etc.).
>             So we're back to using or creating a group that draws from
>             the Chartering Organizations in some fashion.  This is
>             probably a subset of the groups listed in my prior email
>             (but without they idea that any of them _are_ the Names
>             Community). Leading candidates in my mind are:
>
>             1.The CWG
>
>             2.All of the Chartering Organizations of the CWG
>             (GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not acting through the CWG
>
>             3.An Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (drawn in some
>             fashion from the CWG and/or its Chartering Organizations)
>
>             4.The CSC
>
>             Greg
>
>             On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Gomes, Chuck
>             <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>
>             I like breaking step 2 into the 2 steps Seun suggested.
>
>             Chuck
>
>             *From:*Seun Ojedeji [mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
>             <mailto:seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>]
>             *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2016 12:53 PM
>             *To:* Gomes, Chuck
>             *Cc:* cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>; Greg Shatan
>
>
>             *Subject:* Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
>             Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"
>
>             Hello,
>
>             Sent from my LG G4
>             Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
>             On 1 Sep 2016 1:45 a.m., "Gomes, Chuck"
>             <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>             >
>             > Greg,
>             >
>             >
>             > I see it as two steps: 1) define the community;
>
>             SO: We can take this up from your proposed definition
>             which I think it's a good start:
>
>             “All current and future stakeholders of Internet domain
>             names including individuals and organizations.”
>
>             2) decide who can best represent that community.
>
>             SO: I see two aspects here:
>
>             1. Who to represent as signatory and perform operational
>             tasks: I believe this should be ICANN
>
>             2. Who should have an oversight role: I believe this can
>             be the chartering organisations that developed the names
>             proposal which is the CWG.
>
>             >
>             Whoever that is, they need to understand who the community
>             is to accurately do their job.
>             >
>             SO: Indeed and I believe though the CWG prepared the names
>             proposal, it has ensured that it's operations covers the
>             description of a global community in that anyone with a
>             view is welcome to contribute, including those who are not
>             members/participants of CWG.
>
>             Regards
>             >
>             >
>             > Chuck
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > From: Greg Shatan [mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com
>             <mailto:gregshatanipc at gmail.com>]
>             > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 7:32 PM
>             > To: Gomes, Chuck
>             > Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>             > Subject: Re: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
>             Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Chuck,
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Thanks for getting the ball rolling.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Philosophically you may well be right, but I don't think
>             that is a practical answer under these circumstances. It
>             does however help clarify and tighten the question, always
>             a good thing in the search for an answer.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > The need for a definition or identification of the Names
>             Community is driven by the need for some group (or group
>             of groups) to take various actions on behalf of the Names
>             Community (outlined in my email). The way the Agreement is
>             structured it may appear to ask for a definition of the
>             Names Community. Thinking about this after your email, I
>             think what we need to find (or create) instead is a valid
>             representative group (or group of groups) that can act on
>             behalf of the Names Community in the context of this
>             Agreement.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Consider the following:
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > How would the community you suggest (All current and
>             future stakeholders of Internet domain names including
>             individuals and organizations) take the actions needed
>             underthe Community Agreement ?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Approached another way, assuming for the moment that you
>             have correctly defined the "Names Community," broadly
>             speaking, what group (or group of groups) would
>             (practically speaking) best represent this Community?
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > As a corollary, consider that the IANA transition
>             transfers oversight of certain critical Internet functions
>             from the NTIA to the "Global Multistakeholder Community"
>             -- a community even broader than the Names Community. Yet
>             we have (imperfectly perhaps) determined that various
>             existing bodies (and some newly formed combinations of
>             these bodies) will adequately represent the "global
>             multistakeholder community" in exercising stewardship and
>             accountability functions.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > As another corollary, consider how the Numbers Community
>             and Protocol Parameters Community are defined in this
>             Agreement -- as the Regional Internet Registries (and as
>             the NRO) and the IETF respectively. Consider how the
>             definition you propose compares to these definitions.
>             Alternatively consider how the NRO and the IETF compare
>             with the following parallel definitions:
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Numbers Community: All current and future stakeholders
>             of Internet IP address numbers including individuals and
>             organizations
>             >
>             > RIRs: All current and future stakeholders of Internet
>             protocol parameters including individuals and organizations
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > ​While these definitions are not incorrect, and are
>             certainly far broader than the NRO and the IETF, they are
>             not being used in the Community Agreement, and could not
>             practically be used in the Community Agreement. Instead we
>             need to rely on groups that are (hopefully) representative
>             of those communities, while not being selected by those
>             (much) larger communities. We need to do the same thing
>             here for the Names Community.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Greg​
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 7:08 PM, Gomes, Chuck
>             <cgomes at verisign.com <mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:
>             >
>             > Thanks for getting this started Greg.  Here are my first
>             reactions.
>             >
>             > · I think everyone one of these leave some members of
>             the name community out.
>             >
>             > · Most of them are what I think are legitimate subsets
>             of the ‘Names Community’.
>             >
>             > · It doesn’t seem to me that the ‘Names Community’ has
>             to be a structure; in fact I think it may be difficult to
>             find or create a structure inside or outside ICANN that
>             would include all members of the ‘Names Community’.
>             >
>             > · A general definition may be the best way to go, one
>             that doesn’t try to list specific members because as soon
>             as we do that we will likely leave some out.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Here is my initial suggestion: “All current and future
>             stakeholders of Internet domain names including
>             individuals and organizations.” I welcome critique of my
>             thoughts and my suggestion.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Chuck
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > From: cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>
>             [mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of
>             Greg Shatan
>             > Sent: Wednesday, August 31, 2016 6:00 PM
>             > To: cwg-stewardship at icann.org
>             <mailto:cwg-stewardship at icann.org>
>             > Subject: [CWG-Stewardship] Possible
>             Definitions/Compositions of the "Names Community"
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > On our last call, I volunteered to put together this email.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > We need to define or identify the composition of the
>             "Names Community" for purposes of the IANA IPR Community
>             Agreement. The role of the Names Community in this
>             Agreement is outlined below.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Here are some non-exhaustive possibilities for the
>             "Names Community," which I am throwing out without any
>             judgment as to their appropriateness and in no particular
>             order:
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > The CWG
>             > All of the Chartering Organizations of the CWG
>             (GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC, GAC, SSAC) but not acting through the CWG
>             > An Implementation Oversight Team (IOT) (drawn in some
>             fashion from the CWG and/or its Chartering Organizations)
>             > GNSO and ccNSO
>             > GNSO, ccNSO and ALAC
>             > GNSO, ccNSO and GAC
>             > GNSO, ccNSO, ALAC and GAC
>             > Any other combination of some but not all Chartering
>             Organizations
>             > The CSC (representing those organizations and in the
>             proportions represented on the CSC)
>             > The organizations contributing members to the CSC (but
>             not necessarily acting through the CSC or in the
>             proportions represented in the CSC)
>             > Any other combination of ICANN-created structures
>             > An existing non-ICANN-created structure
>             > A combination of ICANN-created and non-ICANN created
>             structures
>             > A completely new structure
>             >
>             > ICANN (the corporation) will be the signatory on behalf
>             of the "Names Community."
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > The "Names Community" (and not ICANN the corporation)
>             will need to be responsible for the substance of all Names
>             Community actions under the Community Agreement and
>             instructing its CCG representatives where appropriate,
>             including:
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Appointing, removing and replacing three members of the
>             CCG (Community Coordinating Group) representing the Names
>             Community
>             > Appointing one of the three Names Community members as a
>             Co-Chair and primary point of contact for the IETF Trust
>             > Determining whether the IANA Services are consistent
>             with the standards set forth by the Names Community
>             (determined through a "specified process of community
>             engagement, feedback, contract and dispute resolution,"
>             which is expected to be the CSC, and when the time comes,
>             the IFR process)
>             > Instructing the CCG Representatives
>             > Notifying the IETF Trust that the IANA Operator
>             (initially, ICANN) is being replaced. (This would be the
>             result of a SCWG decision.)
>             > Requesting that the IETF Trust enter into an IANA IPR
>             License Agreement with a new IANA Operator and
>             participating in these interactions/negotiations
>             (particularly if the Trust or the Operator wants to vary
>             the terms of the License Agreement) including mediation if
>             the parties are unable to come to an agreement on terms of
>             the new License Agreement
>             > Monitoring the IANA Operator’s use of the IANA IPR with
>             respect to its designated IANA Service for the purposes of
>             quality control under the License Agreement and notifying
>             the IETF Trust of any failures or deficiencies in the
>             quality of service provided by the IANA Operator that
>             would violate such quality control provisions (again, this
>             is likely to be CSC/IFR work in substance).
>             > Being consulted (through the CCG Co-Chair) by the IETF
>             Trust if the Trust believes the IANA Operator has
>             materially breached the terms of its License Agreement.
>             > Withdrawing from the Community Agreement
>             > Selecting or creating a new entity to replace ICANN as
>             the signatory to this Agreement on behalf of the Names
>             Community (which could be a responsibility of the CWG or
>             some successor to the CWG)
>             > Determining a process for doing each of the above (to
>             the extent it doesn't fall into an existing group with a
>             process for doing things)
>             >
>             > Please respond to this email with any thoughts you have
>             on the possible ways (including additional ways) to
>             identify/define the Names Community for this purpose, and
>             with any questions you may have (and any answers you may
>             have, as well).
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Please keep in mind the relatively limited purposes for
>             which this needs to be answered (just dealing with the
>             Community Agreement) and the very limited time-frame we
>             have to figure this out (at least, initially).
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Thank you for your consideration of these issues.
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Best regards,
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             > Greg
>             >
>             >
>             >
>             >
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