[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Invitation to a call with the IGO-INGO Curative Rights Working Group co-chairs

Wed Jan 3 00:27:07 UTC 2018

Dear George,

This note is to confirm that staff will be going ahead to schedule the call between you, Phil and Petter soon, although it will not be before next week. Next Thursday is certainly a possibility, so thank you for the suggestion. As highlighted previously, the call will be recorded and the ICANN Ombudsman invited to attend as an observer. 

In line with the message from Heather Forrest, GNSO Chair, sent to this mailing list on 24 December 2017, if other PDP Working Group members supporting George’s invocation of Section 3.7 would like to attend the meeting, please let us know so that we can be sure to send you the call details.

Thanks and cheers
Mary

On 1/2/18, 08:39, "George Kirikos" <icann at leap.com> wrote:

    I'm just following up on the emails of December 21, 2017. Is the
    Thursday January 4, 2018 date and 12:00 noon (Eastern time) time,
    corresponding to the usual IGO PDP conference call date/time
    acceptable? If not, I'd suggest the following week (Thursday January
    11, 2018 at 12:00 noon Eastern time) as an alternative.

    Please advise before the end of the business day today.

    Sincerely,

    George Kirikos
    416-588-0269
    https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=_ScY_DyFMMJfUercd5VM8RPKzrDDNzVQHe3Hu2idYpI&s=XC5VETDOsHh2D6-W5YTRqueB9blSgkSuG-27KuOy3rM&e=

    On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 5:08 PM, George Kirikos <icann at leap.com> wrote:
    > Hi folks,
    >
    > I received the following email off-list, but I believe it is of
    > interest to the entire PDP working group membership. I'm ready to
    > proceed on a call in early January. I believe we already had a call
    > scheduled at our normal time on Thursday, January 4, 2018, so it would
    > make sense to discuss things at that time. That call should be made
    > open to all interested members of this PDP, just like our regular
    > meetings via Adobe Connect, etc.. It's not a concern that is unique to
    > me.
    >
    > I of course do not withdraw the appeal.
    >
    > I find it interesting that this email was sent very shortly after I
    > sent my most email (which cc'd Ms. Forrest). If you have time, please
    > explain why you could not have sent the exact same email 2 days ago or
    > even yesterday? What "new information" do you have now that you didn't
    > have 2 days ago?
    >
    > Lastly, I believe the **entire membership** of this PDP should have
    > the opportunity to consult with the GNSO Council, in order to ensure
    > that all views are heard, not just the voices of the co-chairs. Please
    > ensure that all communications between the co-chairs and the GNSO
    > Council are also copied to the public mailing list of this IGO PDP so
    > that they are "on the record", in accordance with ICANN's transparency
    > and accountability mechanisms.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    >
    > George Kirikos
    > 416-588-0269
    > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.leap.com_&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=_ScY_DyFMMJfUercd5VM8RPKzrDDNzVQHe3Hu2idYpI&s=XC5VETDOsHh2D6-W5YTRqueB9blSgkSuG-27KuOy3rM&e=
    >
    >
    >
    > On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
    >> Dear George,
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> This email is being sent by ICANN staff on behalf of Phil and Petter, the
    >> co-chairs of the IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights PDP Working Group.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Dear George,
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> We note that, in your email dated 19th December 2017 and sent to the
    >> IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Working Group mailing list, you stated
    >> that you were invoking the appeal process outlined in Section 3.7 of the
    >> GNSO Working Group Guidelines
    >> (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__gnso.icann.org_en_council_annex-2D1-2Dgnso-2Dwg-2Dguidelines-2D01sep16-2Den.pdf&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=DJ69mAe-idEhpAMF1nu2x6c2w3xl7xb5cjS_7sB4h6Y&m=_ScY_DyFMMJfUercd5VM8RPKzrDDNzVQHe3Hu2idYpI&s=EKMDgdmplJDij8lRe37OCiPmP52jdJHC-BmJ3KXaYKI&e=).
    >> That section provides, in relevant part, that a “WG member that believes
    >> that his/her contributions are being systematically ignored or discounted …
    >> should first discuss the circumstances with the WG Chair. In the event that
    >> the matter cannot be resolved satisfactorily, the WG member should request
    >> an opportunity to discuss the situation with the Chair of the Chartering
    >> Organization or their designated representative.” As the co-chairs of this
    >> Working Group, we therefore invite you to do a call with us in early January
    >> 2018. The call will be recorded and, given the nature of the matters that
    >> you have raised on the mailing list concerning our handling of the Working
    >> Group’s progress toward a consensus call, the ICANN Ombudsman will be
    >> invited to sit in on the call.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Concurrently, we will be consulting the GNSO Council on the questions that
    >> you and other Working Group members have asked regarding Working Group
    >> consensus calls. As a result, we will not be conducting any meetings of the
    >> Working Group or launching a poll as a basis for subsequent initiation of
    >> the consensus call process until we have had the opportunity to consult the
    >> Council which, as our Chartering Organization, is the manager of all GNSO
    >> Policy Development Processes.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Please let us know if you wish to proceed with the call with us, as
    >> prescribed by Section 3.7 of the GNSO Working Group Guidelines. If so, we
    >> will ask ICANN staff to find a mutually suitable time in early January 2018.
    >> If you do not wish to proceed with the call, we will consider it a
    >> withdrawal of your appeal.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Best regards,
    >>
    >> Philip and Petter
    >>
    >>