[Gnso-igo-ingo-crp] [Ntfy-gnso-igo-ingo-crp] Our next meeting and Result of consensus Call: IGO-INGO Access to Curative Rights Protection Mechanisms WG meeting on Tuesday, 12 June 2018 16:00 UTC
Petter Rindforth
petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu
Sun Jun 10 09:16:47 UTC 2018
Hi Reg and All,
The e-mail I sent was my personal try to initially collect and show the result, looking at the "yes" and "no" provided.
Thereby we have an indication to further discuss on Tuesday.
It is then also rather obvious that even if you have noted a "yes" on several options, one of them may be your preferred option, and the rest of the "yes" is only if that preferred one receives no majority.
As you all now clearly can see:
The problem when we expanded from the original 2 options (in our Initial Report of January 19, 2017) to 6 options, is to find a clear majority/support for one specific option.
However, looking at the e-mail discussion, I am convinced that we can come to a workable conclusion on Tuesday, with a possible one option in a decent majority/consensus level and likely one or two others Minority View/s.
It is indeed positive to see that we all still have such energy and willingness to co-operate with the goal to find a workable result in this last minute!
All the best,
Petter
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10 juni 2018 02:01:48 +02:00, skrev Reg Levy <rlevy at tucows.com>:
> I agree that the collection of votes appears to indicate support where the emails I saw did not indicate support and consensus in some places where there should be divergence. Also, although some people only voted for (or against) certain options, most weighed in on all options, which doesn’t appear reflected in the report. I’ll try to do a summary in the morning of the “votes”.
>
> Reg Levy
> (310) 963-7135
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
>
> > On Jun 9, 2018, at 16:13, George Kirikos <<icann at leap.com>> wrote:
> >
> > P.S. An obvious error, for Recommendation #4. I'm listed as the only
> > person against subsidies for IGOs. That's incorrect, given Reg was
> > *vehemently* against that recommendation too:
> >
> > <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001234.html>
> >
> > "I am also vehemently opposed to any subsidization of any party's costs."
> >
> > Not only did she write that orally, she made that unequivocally clear
> > on the phone calls. Go check the recordings/transcripts (or she might
> > want to weigh in again).
> >
> > Anyhow, it's 7 pm on a Saturday night, and I have a life. Others
> > can/should weigh in as they please, but this is another sloppy effort
> > that needs to get fixed before it ever gets to GNSO Council.
> >
> > I'm sympathetic to the fact that Petter appears to have worked alone
> > on this (although, I thought Susan and/or staff would have been part
> > of the team assisting, given the section 3.7 appeal and her higher
> > profile at this point as liaison, and perhaps the greater scrutiny
> > that would be expected), and there's a time crunch. But, that time
> > crunch wasn't imposed by me. Do we want to do things fast, or do we
> > want to do it right?
> >
> > I want to stress that I'm not trying to change anyone's positions ---
> > I just want to make sure we accurately capture everyone's
> > positions/analysis and accurately capture the correct consensus
> > designation levels.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > George Kirikos
> > 416-588-0269
> > <http://www.leap.com/>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:55 PM, George Kirikos <<icann at leap.com>> wrote:
> > > Hi folks,
> > >
> > > 1) First off, it's entirely incorrect to call those the Results of the
> > > Consensus call. They're the initial designation levels of consensus,
> > > and are open to challenge and further revisions via the iterative
> > > process of Section 3.6 of the Working Group Guidelines. The initial
> > > designation levels are accompanied with a draft final report ---- we
> > > should be given the draft final report, too, to review, ASAP. *That's*
> > > what starts the true "Consensus Call" as per the working group
> > > guidelines, i.e. the Draft Final Report + the Initial Designation
> > > Levels.
> > >
> > > 2) Secondly, I noticed Jim Bikoff sent an email a few minutes ago
> > > which appeared to change his support? i.e. on June 5, 2018 he wrote:
> > >
> > > <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001217.html>
> > >
> > > "On the six policy options for a possible Recommendation Five, I can
> > > support Option Four but only if Option One does not receive enough
> > > support."
> > >
> > > but then a few minutes ago, he wrote:
> > >
> > > <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001240.html>
> > >
> > > "Also I do not support any of the policy options except No. 4."
> > >
> > > I don't understand what's going on there.
> > >
> > > 3) Thirdly, it's pretty obvious some of the results are misstated,
> > > e.g. my interpretation of Jim's June 5, 2018 email would have
> > > prioritized Option #1, but then Option #4 if there was no consensus
> > > for Option #1. [although, now today's email seems to change that]
> > >
> > > When Reg wrote:
> > >
> > > <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-June/001234.html>
> > >
> > > I'd interpret it the same way, i.e. Option #1 first, then only #4 if necessary.
> > >
> > > In other words, the way Petter's table has summarized things, it's
> > > "binary". Contrast this with the much more detailed analysis I did
> > > last time (this is based on the prior thread about public display of
> > > possible consensus, and hasn't been updated yet):
> > >
> > > <https://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-igo-ingo-crp/2018-May/001172.html>
> > > <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQrdpthCvFIGoECeVWbAuz315diOKXIj2JoO5XhLzk7C_9ariI3NKF8oOLt3PMsBIZg6JMXSvCiOANV/pubhtml>
> > >
> > > where it's not binary. I plan to redo that kind of spreadsheet with
> > > the newer responses at some point.
> > >
> > > The same goes for Recommendation #2 where only 4 folks' input is
> > > indicated, and thus it's showing "divergence"??!!?? i.e. I'm not
> > > against that recommendation --- I just want the language corrected.
> > > i.e. I'm against it as written, but only because staff has continually
> > > been imprecise. Furthermore, I think some people's silence on the
> > > issue isn't "dissent" -- it might actually be support (i.e. they might
> > > be relying on their past input on issues, and not just their most
> > > recent responses in the past 2 weeks).
> > >
> > > Anyhow, this is a mess. I'll have more detailed thoughts and analysis
> > > later, but just wanted to put these out to get the discussion going.
> > >
> > > This is *exactly* why we should have kept up with the weekly phone
> > > calls, by the way! This is entirely the kind of thing that could have
> > > been avoided, had the lines of communication been kept active. Now we
> > > have a truncated and artificial deadline to fix this all up, or be
> > > compelled to argue about "process" all over again (i.e. another
> > > Section 3.7 disputing the results, blah blah blah). Let's try to work
> > > hard and fix this mess, so we don't have to do that again.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > George Kirikos
> > > 416-588-0269
> > > <http://www.leap.com/>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 6:00 PM, Petter Rindforth
> > > <<petter.rindforth at fenixlegal.eu>> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Dear All WG Members,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for participating in our formal consensus call.
> > > >
> > > > I have studied your "votes" and comments, and made a summary at the attached
> > > > document, to discuss further on Tuesday.
> > > >
> > > > For your information, as informed in the GNSO Working Group Guidelines:
> > > >
> > > > Full consensus: when no one in the group speaks against the recommendation
> > > > in its last readings. This is also sometimes referred to as Unanimous
> > > > Consensus.
> > > >
> > > > Consensus: a position where only a small minority disagrees but most agree.
> > > >
> > > > Strong support but significant opposition: a position where while most of
> > > > the group supports a recommendation, there are a significant number of those
> > > > who do not support it.
> > > >
> > > > Divergence: also referred to as No Consensus - a position where there isn't
> > > > strong support for any particular position, but many different points of
> > > > view. Sometimes this is due to irreconcilable differences of opinion and
> > > > sometimes it is due to the fact that no one has a particularly strong or
> > > > convincing viewpoint, but the members of the group agree that it is worth
> > > > listing the issue in the report nonetheless.
> > > >
> > > > Minority View: refers to a proposal where a small number of people support
> > > > the recommendation. This can happen in response to a Consensus, Strong
> > > > support but significant opposition, and No Consensus, or can happen in cases
> > > > where there is neither support nor opposition to a suggestion made by a
> > > > small number of individuals
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All the best,
> > > > Petter
> > > >
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> > > > Petter Rindforth, LL M
> > > >
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> > > > 5 juni 2018 19:02:40 +02:00, skrev Andrea Glandon
> > > > <<andrea.glandon at icann.org>>:
> > > >
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> > > >
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