[gnso-rds-pdp-wg] URGENT: babypool GDPR Question

Paul Keating paul at law.es
Wed Jun 14 18:31:53 UTC 2017 

Is there anyone alive that does not understand that whois is in fact public?

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> On 14 Jun 2017, at 18:13, allison nixon <elsakoo at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >>Let's have that discussion when we get to this question. Sufficie it to say that in most cases the agreement does not qualify under the current requirements for such agreements as in most cases it is not a free and informed choice. And we will explain those terms as well, when we get there as a group. 
> 
> Since it is clear that the entire issue hinges on it, we are already at this question. How do the registrars here handle this? Do they not inform their customers that WHOIS data will be made completely public, and if they do not inform their customers, what is the rationale?
> 
> If this as dangerous an issue as it is described in this working group, certainly the participating registrars would have taken the proactive step to protect their own customers. If not, what are the difficulties?
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>> Let's have that discussion when we get to this question. Sufficie it to say that in most cases the agreement does not qualify under the current requirements for such agreements as in most cases it is not a free and informed choice. And we will explain those terms as well, when we get there as a group. 
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Volker
>> 
>>> Am 14.06.2017 um 17:58 schrieb allison nixon:
>>> When I registered my domains, I explicitly chose to make certain information public in the WHOIS, and people like John Bambenek, you, and everyone else, have a right to that information. 
>>> 
>>> Unless you are arguing that registrars are somehow not informing their own customers of this choice that they make?
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 11:47 AM, Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net> wrote:
>>>> Sorry, but you do not have a right to someone elses information unless that someone else lets you have it. You may want to have that information, feel entitled to it and that information may be beneficial to you, but you do not have a legally enforceable right to it.
>>>> 
>>>> And now, can we get back to the approved topics of the week? I believe this discussion is not on that list.
>>>> 
>>>> Volker
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Am 14.06.2017 um 17:40 schrieb John Bambenek via gnso-rds-pdp-wg:
>>>>> "When a registrant register a domain name their personal details should only be disclosed to third parties for a purpose to which such registrant agrees to prior to the disclosure. And I think you will agree that having your details transmitted to every marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify as a legitimate purpose"
>>>>> 
>>>>> No, we don't agree. Because I have a right to information that will help me verify who is trying to communicate with me. If you have a problem with your information being public and used for any purpose whatsoever, the use whois privacy / proxy registration (which should be free). Use a role-based email.
>>>>> 
>>>>> This. Is. A. Solved. Problem.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Your choice should be this. Enable (free) privacy protection on your domain or your info can be used by anyone for any reason. Literally exactly like twitter and facebook which has a whole lot more privacy sensitive info. The only thing that needs to be done is registrars telling users what this means. And we're happy to write that for you.
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> John Bambenek
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jun 14, 2017, at 11:05, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> When a registrant register a domain name their personal details should only be disclosed to third parties for a purpose to which such registrant agrees to prior to the disclosure. And I think you will agree that having your details transmitted to every marketing company out there wouldn’t qualify as a legitimate purpose
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>> Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
>> 
>> Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>> 
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - Rechtsabteilung -
>> 
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>> 
>> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
>> www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
>> 
>> Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>> 
>> Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
>> Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
>> Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
>> 
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu 
>> 
>> Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
>> 
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>> 
>> Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Volker A. Greimann
>> - legal department -
>> 
>> Key-Systems GmbH
>> Im Oberen Werk 1
>> 66386 St. Ingbert
>> Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
>> Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
>> Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net
>> 
>> Web: www.key-systems.net / www.RRPproxy.net
>> www.domaindiscount24.com / www.BrandShelter.com
>> 
>> Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:
>> www.facebook.com/KeySystems
>> www.twitter.com/key_systems
>> 
>> CEO: Alexander Siffrin
>> Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken 
>> V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
>> 
>> Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
>> www.keydrive.lu 
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