[Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London - adding Producers

Thu Dec 23 23:26:02 UTC 2010

Hi James,

A belated thanks for these ideas. You are right that we missing these definitions from our current outline – and we certainly  need to know who creates the Whois data and who manages it. 

After some thought, I suggest we add your “Producers” outline below in two places. First, as an opening section in “Developing the Definitions.”  It also seems a good issue to ask Staff to address on Day 2 – as part of their discussion of policy and implementation (e.g., how has ICANN defined/viewed producers of the Whois data in their policy and implementation work?)

Attached is a revised agenda to include the sections.

Happy Holidays and a wonderful New Year, All!

Kathy

From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of James M. Bladel
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:21 PM
To: Liz Gasster
Cc: rt4-whois at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London

Thanks, Liz.  These are excellent jumping-off points for our definitional work. 

In addition, I would like to add another category of stakeholder, that of WHOIS "Producers."  This could be folded in to Section 3 as a new category, or added to our fact-finding efforts:

1.  Producers:

    (a)  Who are the Producers / Creators of WHOIS data?

    (b)  Who are the Maintainers / Managers of WHOIS data?

    (c)  What are their obligations  / rights / responsibilities?

    (d)  What are the different methods used to make data available (thick/centralized versus thin/distributed, etc.)

Also, Kathy and I were discussing the idea that we should prepare some Goals or Objectives in advance of our London (and subsequent) meetings, and then issue a brief report or statement at the conclusion of the meeting on our progress towards achieving them.  There are folks in the community watching our efforts very closely, and small efforts like these will go a long way towards building & preserving credibility for our final recommendations.  Just a thought.

Thanks--

J.

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	Subject: Re: [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London
	From: Liz Gasster <liz.gasster at icann.org <mailto:liz.gasster at icann.org> >
	Date: Tue, December 21, 2010 4:21 pm
	To: Emily Taylor <emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk <mailto:emily.taylor at etlaw.co.uk> >, 
	"rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org> " <rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org> >

	Hello Emily and all,

	I’d like to comment on the topic of definitions, as I  have wrestled with them a bit myself in working on WHOIS over the years.  I think the idea of agreeing on a commonly understood lexicon is very useful, especially when discussing WHOIS, because what we typically may think of as generic terms can mean very different things to different people.  That said, I have not found many “agreed” definitions to be readily found or documented in areas that would be useful to this team. 

	I do have a thought about jump-starting the process -- Recently I had a similar need and found it useful to come up with “working definitions” that could be tweaked, massaged, or totally re-written by a larger group.  With that in mind, I’d like to toss out the attached draft for the group’s consideration, merely to start the process.  I used definitions that have been used in previous ICANN work where I found helpful references, and searched elsewhere for other terms.  My sources are admittedly “US-centric” as reflects my background, so other perspectives and useful sources would be very good to include.  They are not intended as “approved” ICANN definitions.

	Please feel free to disregard this and start elsewhere, but I hope you find it useful.

	Best regards, Liz 

	From: rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org>  [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org> ] On Behalf Of Emily Taylor
	Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 1:44 AM
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	Subject: [Rt4-whois] Draft agenda for London

	Dear All

	Thanks, Alice, for circulating the draft agenda for London.

	I just want to emphasise that this is very much a draft, and I encourage you all to make comments or suggestions on the list and we can then foster a discussion about any points that arise, whether about substantive agenda items or logistics.

	Kind regards

	Emily

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