[Rt4-whois] Executive Summary [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Wed May 2 03:11:16 UTC 2012

Hi All,
Before I head off, I want to share what you would already know:
1) I like the word legitimate. I think it reflects what we have all 
said, and agreed to on a recent call, that there privacy rights and 
legitimate privacy needs.  I am sorry to see it go because I thought it 
kept the balance when we deleted specific privacy rights bullet point.

2) But much more strongly, I oppose the deletion of the phrase "to 
encourage proxy/privacy service providers to become accredited" from the 
following sentence:
==> "ICANN could, for example, use a mix of incentives and graduated 
sanctions to encourage proxy/privacy service providers to become 
accredited, and to ensure that registrars do not knowingly accept 
registrations from unaccredited providers."

I think Peter drafted the original statement (I hope I credited it 
properly) and it captures well the consensus of the group -- what we all 
agreed upon together. Delete it, and it becomes a mandate requirement 
from the Review Team for accreditation, and we simply don't have 
consensus on that (and I would have to write a minority statement).

(As I have shared -- after 10 years of work in the GNSO WHOIS arena -- 
We have done more to progress discussion on this issue than any group in 
10 years. Make the standards voluntary at the start, and the ICANN 
Community has an incentive to make the voluntary standards balanced and 
fair, in hopes of the best practices becoming permanent. Make them 
mandatory upfront, and groups know they are competing for something that 
can be forced down other sides' throats and won't compromise. There's a 
history here... )

3) I think it's too late for a new recommendation. It's a good bullet 
point, but I think it will delay our closure process to make it a full 
recommendation. It fits very well where it is...

4) Regarding the edits to the Full Report, will we all get a chance to 
see them and review them?  I think it would be good....

Best and thanks,
Kathy

:
>
> My comments on the current draft of Recommendation 10:  Data Access- 
> Privacy and Proxy Services
>
> Findings:  Para 2:   I agree with Peter to delete the word "legitimate".
>
> Recommendations: top of next page beginning with "ICANN could, for 
> example, use a mix of":  I would delete the phrase "to encourage 
> proxy/privacy service providers to become accredited".  Leaving the 
> phrase in suggests that ICANN could tolerate a community of 
> non-accredited proxy/privacy providers and I feel this is the wrong 
> message to send.
>
> Same page bullet two:  I am still confused who is provide the full 
> details and if the details are of the service provider or the 
> beneficiary user.
>
> Last paragraph last bullet.  I like Peter's comment "Clarifying the 
> issue of rights/responsibilities/liabilities should be an essential 
> part of the proxy/privacy discussion, with the goal being clear and 
> comprehensive guidance for the community." (I've tried to improve it a 
> little).  Can we place this statement above as a recommendation 
> separate from the bullet points, perhaps as the second, third or 
> fourth paragraph under Recommendations.  I sense that strengthening 
> this statement could address Susan's concerns as well.
>
> Seth
>
> *From:*rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org 
> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Nettlefold, Peter
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 01, 2012 2:51 PM
> *To:* rt4-whois at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Rt4-whois] Executive Summary [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]
>
> Hi all,
>
> In advance of tonight's call, I just wanted to note that there seem to 
> be two versions on v6 out there -- one I sent yesterday with 'v6 pn' 
> in the title, and more recent version sent by Susan with 'v6 Susan's 
> comments'.
>
> I'm not commenting on the content as such, but just noting the version 
> issue.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Peter
>
> *From:*rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org 
> <mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org> 
> [mailto:rt4-whois-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kathy Kleiman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 May 2012 9:53 AM
> *To:* rt4-whois at icann.org <mailto:rt4-whois at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Rt4-whois] Executive Summary
>
> Hi All,
> I am sorry that I will not be able to attend the meeting in a few 
> hours (it's at 2am my time). Thanks to everyone for all the discussion 
> and editing! I support the Executive Summary and IDN Comments.
>
> I wanted to share a particular support for the new proxy/privacy point 
> that Peter added.
>
> providing clear and unambiguous guidance on the rights and 
> responsibilities of registered name holders, and how those should be 
> managed in the privacy/proxy environment
>
> I'm happy to work with Alice on removing all the comments I 
> inserted...  and regards to all!
> Kathy
>
> :
>
> Thank you all for your hard work on the executive summary.  I have 
> made a few comments but for the most part I am in agreement with the 
> current draft.
>
> Talk to you tonight.
>
> Susan Kawaguchi
>
> Domain Name Manager
>
> Facebook Legal Dept.
>
> Phone - 650 485-6064
>
>
>
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